Pedigree Query

Can our very informative group of members go through the sons of Wild Again? How have they done as sires? Broodmare sires? Any input?

A lot of them have been tried at stud, much as sons of Northern Dancer and of Storm Cat or Mr. Prospector were and are. Most will not make it, as would be expected. I notice fewer and fewer sons of Wild Again advertised annually in the stallion registers, as their success has been limited.

Many of his best offspring, however, are just starting to show ability as producers, and others are just now retiring to stud, with no runners yet. Milwaukee Brew comes to mind. Others are starting to show promise, as they have produced some graded stakes winners in a very short time. Wild Wonder, Wild Escapade, Vicar to name some newer sons with racing progeny. I suspect the old man's loss to the breeding world will be replaced by several good, if not great sons at stud.

Wild Again likely will make more of a mark over time as a broodmare sire, as he works well with Northern Dancer sons and daughters, as well as with the Raise a Native line. And over time, there will be many more descendants from him on the female side of pedigrees due to sheer numbers of mares and foals/mare. Believe it or not, most broodmare sires don't make the top lists until they get 20-30 years in age. He was born in 1985.

A lot of them have been tried at stud, much as sons of Northern Dancer and of Storm Cat or Mr. Prospector were and are. Most will not make it, as would be expected. I notice fewer and fewer sons of Wild Again advertised annually in the stallion registers, as their success has been limited.

That is a very invalid analogy, there is no comparision between the number of Mr P, Storm Cat, or Northern Dancer sons put to stud and the number of Wild Again sons put to stud. If anything, his failure to get good sons at stud save Wild Rush is more understandable due to his sons not getting the oppurtunities given to Storm Cat or Mr P sons.

Still, comparing him to a truly great sire of sires like Northern Dancer is a complete farce.

BTW, "Limited success" is another way of saying "he never should have been bred to mares if we knew he'd end up like that" failure.

So far, Wild Again has got one excellent son (Wild Rush) who is responisble for 100% of his best paternal grandsons and granddaughters; and I would estimate that the Male Line was handed a death sentence in this Country the day they shortsightedly sold Wild Rush to the Japanese.

Whiskey Wisdom is an okay older son of Wild Again at stud; Vicar is showing some promise (too early to cast judgement though as he only has one good horse, Vicarage); and Milwaukee Brew, a stallion likely to be undermined by not having enough speed, is the one son of Wild Again with some promise not to have any to race so far.

Andy Stronarch will be helping to pick MB's mares, so I'd gauge him as having the best shot of continuing the line. Which doesn't mean all that much though, considering that the only other hope beyond the return of Wild Rush from Japan is Vicar.

Thus there are only two more shots for this Wild Again line. In contrast the Phone Trick line has Intidab, the very well supported Zavata, and Rocking Trick; and I'd take any two of them over the lot of Vicar and Milwaukee Brew.

I doubt Wild Again will be a leading broodmare sire, but stranger things have happened. By far his best is Wild Spirit, and her sire's cross of Raja Baba is of great importance to her success (see Yes It's True).

The booking of Wild Spirit to AP Indy is a dream mating and don't be surprised if Wild Again ends up as the 2nd damsire of a really big one in about 4 years.

Wild Again was a top sire and a very good source of soundness, but we shouldn't pretend he was something he wasn't (a sire of sires save for the great Wild Rush and maybe Milwaukee Brew if Andy can pull it off again).

-llbean

Come on llbean, tell us how you really feel about him. He has a very good list of runners and daughters, and many are just starting to go to stud or to produce progeny. Some aren't even born yet. Considering the large number of horses he produced, why limit his chances of continuing the line to Wild Rush alone and potentially Milwaukee Brew? I think it's too early to predict he will be a failure as a sire of sires or of broodmares for at least ten more years. Just as it was too early to predict Wild Rush would be a failure at stud when he was at Adena Springs.

hi henthorn...hi llbean

Just a note...I remember the first time I saw Awesome Again and Touch Gold after their retirements to stud...those two were the stallions I wanted to see at Adena Springs Lex. After a thorough inspection...I was satisfied that I had a good-look at the two young sons of Deputy Minister that I intended to see.

Both had something to offer...but before I left...I was asked if I wanted to have a glance at Wild Rush. Why not...let's take a look.

A few minutes later a spectacular thoroughbred stallion was presented...it was Wild Rush...I was WOWed by his looks and presence...simply breathtaking...gorgeous. Very untypical of a Wild Again...extremely handsome...and a beautiful yet magnetic-presence about him. WOW again...he was more than just a 'good' one...to say the least...he was very special.

I suggest that other sons of Wild Again may have some success (at least to some degree) at stud...but it seems clear that Wild Rush was unlike any other son of Wild Again that I had seen before or since that day.

Personally...I have my doubts about Wild Again's future as an important sire of sire(s)...with the exception of Wild Rush of course...WOW.

Respectfully

ok just had to add this here. today our Son of Wild Rush arrived at the farm (slew of memories) i havnt seen him yet myself in person, only in pics, but i just got of the phone with my grandfather and from the way he talks he's pretty WOW too!!! . does anyone know where i can find conformation shots of wild rush? all i can find is race pics.

hi brooke

I suggest calling Adena Springs Lex at (859)-873-0948 and they may be able to satisfy your request...or Jack Brothers (also at Adena) at 877-945-2020 may be the guy to get it done for you...or point you in the right direction.

If all else fails...I expect that the Blood-Horse (800-866-2361) and Thoroughbred Times (859-260-9800) still have photos (including stallion register/directory conformation shots etc).

Good luck.

Respectfully

I have 2 granddaughters of Wild Again here...one in for breeding to Meadaaar is a daughter of Activist and the other we own and is being bred to Not A Corgi is a daughter of Nines Wild. Both mares are very good looking, nice conformation but are alittle on the high strung "wild" side. I would be interested in comments on the temperments of other Wild Again lines, are they all like this or did we just get lucky?

Wild Rush has certainly thrown "pretty" as well as talent. Some of them seem to be a bit light boned, but almost all are athletic in appearance. Almost the same comments could be made about Vicar's offspring.

Interestingly when you compare him with Vicar, Wild Rush finished #27 on the Freshmen Sire List while Vicar finished #29 - neither had a stakes horse in their first two year old crop.

At the first of April of the year their first foals were(are) 3 year olds, Wild Rush ranked #13 with 0 stakes horse and 1 stakes winner (Friendofthefamily) while Vicar ranked #2 with 1 stakes horse (Vicarage) and 1 stakes winner (R Lady Joy).

Could it be that these two sons of Wild Again are on parallel courses?

If so, how much would the Japanese pay for Vicar!

roving boy wrote:Could it be that these two sons of Wild Again are on parallel courses?

If so, how much would the Japanese pay for Vicar!

just saw offlee wild on bloodhorse stallion registry. not too much info
but it does have his picture. do you think they will get him ready for this year?