Millenium Wind.....Cryptorchid???
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Millenium Wind.....Cryptorchid???
First...thanks to all who answered my first post about him. Now I hear that he is cryptorchid and so is another who stands at that farm. I thought it odd that no one mentioned this. Henthorn? Liberty? Paris Hill? Since you have seen him..whats the scoop? What are the Jockey Club rules (if Any)?? Thanks in advance to all!!
I don't know if "seeing" a stallion at his farm entitles the viewer that up close and personal to see if there is one down or two....
Obviously the breeding farm doesn't want to dissuade mare owners from sending mares... who cares that they will pay shipping, mare care, etc. etc. etc. up the wazoo for a horse who is at best shooting fifty percent blanks. They sure don't want him to get no mares at all because then he has zero shot of getting any in foal.... He might get some in foal, just might take him longer and more tries. It is ironic to me that so much time is spent carving up the future profits on a stallion prospect, they advertise lavishly while the horse is still racing, do a major workup so that the people fooled by all the hoopla speak about the horse in hushed tones as a Major Event in The Breeding World... and no one bothered to check his testicles?
And golly he might be the next AP Indy... in more ways than one!!So Run for the Roses, as fast as you can.....
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Paris Hill
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I'm not sure about him being a cryptorchid, but i am really pissed at Millennium Farm. I bred a mare to Millennium Wind in '04, she took 1st time, and another mare this season and she also took 1st time. So as far as i'm concerned he's pretty fertile. What i'm pissed at is that they have the nerve to lower his fee $2500, to $5000 right in the middle of breeding season! Could this be because he is really is a cryptorchid? I do know he only has about 50 mares so far. He was $7500, I paid $6500 and bred to him 2 weeks before they dropped him to $5000. I feel this is very unprofessional and i am going to demand some $ back. I can only imagine how the people selling yearlings this summer must feel! They are portraying him to be a failure before his yearlings sell! Go figure! Why in the world would a farm (especially one in Kentucky) do such a stupid thing?
Aurora, I know what you mean. Housebuster headed for Japan right after I bought his yearling daughter. Geri headed for Japan right after I bred my mare to him. Festival of Light was gelded right after his only year at stud, have a yearling from him. Southern Halo headed back to South America after I bought his yearling daughter. Millennium Wind dropped the stud fee after I chose him for this year, but Arch and Saarland's fees rose after booking, and Alphabet Soup doubled after my filly turned two. So all is relative.
Rocking H
Paris Hill, I suspect there were two reasons Millennium Farms lowered his fee--this is his third year at stud, and interest always wanes at about that time, unless there's a buzz about his weanlings/yearlings. The news about the cryptorchidism probably chased some people away, especially those with late foal mares, for fear of not catching the mares at a reasonable time or at all. Most stallions' statistics don't amount to much unless he has numbers on his side, and that means marketing for more mares. (In this case with a lowered fee for the breed-to-race folks and the gamblers at commercialism.)
Besides, by the time most of his progeny go to the sales ring, he will have 2 and/or 3yo's racing, and maybe will have recouped his value. The first year foals will suffer the most at the sales ring.
Besides, by the time most of his progeny go to the sales ring, he will have 2 and/or 3yo's racing, and maybe will have recouped his value. The first year foals will suffer the most at the sales ring.
Rocking H
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SteppingStonesFarm
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I purchased a mare, Amour Mio, carrying her first foal on the cover of MW. I wasnt thrilled with him when I purchased her but she has a beautiful page and other than a freak training accident and a partial prosthetic hoof, she's a gorgeous mare.
In mid-January she foaled a gorgeous MW filly. This filly is big, leggy, full of substance and bone and looks to be made of hickory. I board them at Three Chimney's and was offered near 6 figures for the filly at 6 days old by Mr. Clay himself. At the time I turned down the offer but he said the offer is open and still stands. I will wait to see how she develops and how the other MW's do at public auction, but this filly is extremely impressive.
How's MW's temperment? I know my mare's a hellion and the filly is the same. I was wondering if dad added to the mix or what?
On a side note, Amour Mio is on an early cover, confirmed infoal to Pulpit. Hopefully this will be a nice sales prospect for me. Love the cross on paper.
In mid-January she foaled a gorgeous MW filly. This filly is big, leggy, full of substance and bone and looks to be made of hickory. I board them at Three Chimney's and was offered near 6 figures for the filly at 6 days old by Mr. Clay himself. At the time I turned down the offer but he said the offer is open and still stands. I will wait to see how she develops and how the other MW's do at public auction, but this filly is extremely impressive.
How's MW's temperment? I know my mare's a hellion and the filly is the same. I was wondering if dad added to the mix or what?
On a side note, Amour Mio is on an early cover, confirmed infoal to Pulpit. Hopefully this will be a nice sales prospect for me. Love the cross on paper.
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Paris Hill
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Henthorn, I dont have a problem with him lowering his fee (i obviously wish it was going higher) but its the timing i am really annoyed at. Wait until after the breeding season and announce it in the Fall not right smack in the middle of breeding season when he has yearlings in the process of being sales prepped! I find this to be a desperate cry for mares and telling the public his foals have no buzz. Everybody who just bred to him at $7500 and the people who have yearlings going to sale in 3 months are going to be LIVID! I have a very nicely put together weanling filly (a little on the small side) by MW and a mare in-foal to him and will never breed to another stallion from Millennium Farms.
Paris Hill wrote:Henthorn, I dont have a problem with him lowering his fee (i obviously wish it was going higher) but its the timing i am really annoyed at. Wait until after the breeding season and announce it in the Fall not right smack in the middle of breeding season when he has yearlings in the process of being sales prepped!
It's not unusual for a stallion that isn't drawing enough mares to have his stud fee reduced in the middle of the breeding season. Some--like Mr. Greeley and Stormin Fever this year--are announced publicly. In other cases, it's simply made known that "very good deals" are available. Third year stallions are pretty much always at risk for this. That's why they call it breeding on the bubble.
Frankly I don't see how waiting until after the breeding season would make any difference to yearling sales, and it might cost the horse some extra mares he might pick up this year.
I can somewhat understand breeders being upset with millennium farm for lowering mw's fee. However, if you bred to him this year it won't matter whether his stud fee goes down, up or sideways, your commercial viability rests with how his first crop does on the track. Remember you are breeding on the bubble. If you paid full value in his first year I wouldn't be all that concerned that buyers are going to take a step back from him at the yearling sales because of the reduced stud fee. I imagine anyone with common sense will look at the managements attempt to keep a solid book of mares committed to this stallion in the current market, which is extremely competitive in the $7,500 to $15,000 range. They are thinking about the stallion’s long-term success, which ultimately relies upon a steady and consistent book of mares year after year. I bred to mw this year and although I wish they hadn't dropped the fee I understand why they did it. I really don't believe it is because he is a ridgling; he still had around 70% live foals from mares bred, which is close to the norm. I would like to know how sound this rumor is as well since no one on this post seems to have a real clue as to its accuracy.
Hi All,
And so is A.P. Indy (cryptorchid).
LSB, it's not only not normal to lower the fee in the middle of the breeding season (when you've had bookings based on the higher fee), Millennium Farm is completely red faced and fully aware of the mistake that they made.
It's one thing to raise the fee, another to lower it before the season but there's no reason that the mare owner who is breeding in the current year needs to support the farm past the fact that they bred to that stallion earlier in the year. The numbers help the farm - not the breeder in that given year. AND, it hurts earlier foals who will be going to sale.
Millennium Wind's weanling prices were mixed but high enough to support a $7,500 fee. As mentioned, the farm could have saved themselves lots of aggravation (and they had a lot of it) had they held the price line and aggressively discounted to owners who had booked earlier, to other breeders and let it be known through agents that they would give most favorable deals.
If you have a good foal, (and Paris Hill - you have a nice foal) the drop in fee shouldn't have a large negative impact, but if the foal is more average this fee drop will impact.
Not For Love was a $3,500 stallion when his first 2yos sold and one went for $2,160,000! That's a 2yo and yearlings are different. The impact of Millennium Farm's gaff can't be calculated past the fact that they only helped themselves in this matter - and marginally (they got an additional 20 mares after the price drop).
The move to a $5,000 fee puts their stallion in the ordinary category when in fact there is little reason for him to be there. He has a top pedigree (1/2 brother to Charismatic and Toss Of the Coin), is a superior individual ($1,200,000 yearling) and is a G1 winner. His sire, Cryptoclearance, has gotten a few decent sires, Victory Gallop and Ride The Rails.
Had they then lowered his fee for 2006, it would have been acceptable. They did lower him from $8,500 to $7,500 for 2004.
Regards,
Pete
And so is A.P. Indy (cryptorchid).
LSB, it's not only not normal to lower the fee in the middle of the breeding season (when you've had bookings based on the higher fee), Millennium Farm is completely red faced and fully aware of the mistake that they made.
It's one thing to raise the fee, another to lower it before the season but there's no reason that the mare owner who is breeding in the current year needs to support the farm past the fact that they bred to that stallion earlier in the year. The numbers help the farm - not the breeder in that given year. AND, it hurts earlier foals who will be going to sale.
Millennium Wind's weanling prices were mixed but high enough to support a $7,500 fee. As mentioned, the farm could have saved themselves lots of aggravation (and they had a lot of it) had they held the price line and aggressively discounted to owners who had booked earlier, to other breeders and let it be known through agents that they would give most favorable deals.
If you have a good foal, (and Paris Hill - you have a nice foal) the drop in fee shouldn't have a large negative impact, but if the foal is more average this fee drop will impact.
Not For Love was a $3,500 stallion when his first 2yos sold and one went for $2,160,000! That's a 2yo and yearlings are different. The impact of Millennium Farm's gaff can't be calculated past the fact that they only helped themselves in this matter - and marginally (they got an additional 20 mares after the price drop).
The move to a $5,000 fee puts their stallion in the ordinary category when in fact there is little reason for him to be there. He has a top pedigree (1/2 brother to Charismatic and Toss Of the Coin), is a superior individual ($1,200,000 yearling) and is a G1 winner. His sire, Cryptoclearance, has gotten a few decent sires, Victory Gallop and Ride The Rails.
Had they then lowered his fee for 2006, it would have been acceptable. They did lower him from $8,500 to $7,500 for 2004.
Regards,
Pete