I just read on another forum (www.thoroughbrednet.us) that Bandini is at Ashford right now, in isolation before under going surgery. I realize that this is just rumor at this stage, but I did find it interesting.
I was wondering how he would be viewed as a stallion prospect if he never raced again. He certainly is a lovely horse, but he seems a touch mentally and physically unsound.
Any comments? Would you breed to him? At what stud fee?
thanks!
Bandini
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Anybody want to take bets on how many of FuPeg's stellar first crop will be in the breeding shed next year? If Bandini is retired now (to answer ef), I would imagine he'd stand for around $15000 to $25000 due to his lack of starts. He may stand for more than that as I thought Lion Heart would be around that price and he was at $30000(?) this year. Bandini is good-looking, displayed some talent, and has a decent female family, so I think he'll fill a book strictly off the business of folks who can't afford his daddy. I wouldn't breed to him though because if he retires now the unsoundness factor would be way to much to overcome and his sire is unproven as of yet. By the way I am now taking donations for the fund to geld Bandini 
As usual... I am brown-nosing to LSB. I think she hit it directly on the head that Ashford is simply saying that the critter is not taking visitors.
Has anyone heard what his problem may be? I've heard he may have trapped his epligotis (someone help me with that spelling...), but that was a rumor even the person who relayed it to me was skeptical about. Another "rumor" was that he got very, very dehydrated (I won't go into what the speculation was about the cause) and he lost quite a bit of weight and looked horrible. No one wants to have their horse seen in such condition.
Having owned a rather "high strung" critter or two... (at present, we have a very, very nice filly who it would be a compliment if one said she had a short fuse... she is "testing" our theories about patience... and we have even joked about seeing if Monty Roberts wants a crack at her...). Bandini is simply a young, fit, powerful, confident, high strung adolescent male... (many horsemen refer to the physical side as being "on the muscle", while in humans we just say, he's "feeling" it). His antics were not much worse than many horses in training with similar characteristics. In fact, at present, I don't even know how much gelding him would help.
I saw him at Keeneland and actually thought him to be well-behaved (especially in light of some comments I had read about him).
I think the media tends to blow-up behavior problems because they it makes for better reading and the reporters don't truly understand what is "normal" vs. what is not and what is "caused" vs. what is not. (D.Wayne used to be somewhat known for getting some of his charges to act up when the media was present... it made for good marketing for him as a horseman... and entertained him a little at the same time.)
Has anyone heard what his problem may be? I've heard he may have trapped his epligotis (someone help me with that spelling...), but that was a rumor even the person who relayed it to me was skeptical about. Another "rumor" was that he got very, very dehydrated (I won't go into what the speculation was about the cause) and he lost quite a bit of weight and looked horrible. No one wants to have their horse seen in such condition.
Having owned a rather "high strung" critter or two... (at present, we have a very, very nice filly who it would be a compliment if one said she had a short fuse... she is "testing" our theories about patience... and we have even joked about seeing if Monty Roberts wants a crack at her...). Bandini is simply a young, fit, powerful, confident, high strung adolescent male... (many horsemen refer to the physical side as being "on the muscle", while in humans we just say, he's "feeling" it). His antics were not much worse than many horses in training with similar characteristics. In fact, at present, I don't even know how much gelding him would help.
I saw him at Keeneland and actually thought him to be well-behaved (especially in light of some comments I had read about him).
I think the media tends to blow-up behavior problems because they it makes for better reading and the reporters don't truly understand what is "normal" vs. what is not and what is "caused" vs. what is not. (D.Wayne used to be somewhat known for getting some of his charges to act up when the media was present... it made for good marketing for him as a horseman... and entertained him a little at the same time.)
I just read the same thing, georgerz. 
Here's a link to the story:
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=28085
Here's a link to the story:
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=28085
See... the "rumors" which I had been informed of weren't anywhere close. Of course, as I said, the source was about as unconfident as one could be...
I've got one who needs a small chip taken out of a rear ankle... do you think I can get him in on Tabor's dime? Actually, I bet the same vet does Bandini as will do my colt... and if they wait a few days, they will probably be done within an hour of each other.
I wish Bandini well and would love to see him come back sound and fast.
I've got one who needs a small chip taken out of a rear ankle... do you think I can get him in on Tabor's dime? Actually, I bet the same vet does Bandini as will do my colt... and if they wait a few days, they will probably be done within an hour of each other.
I wish Bandini well and would love to see him come back sound and fast.
hi guys
I'll be surprised if we ever see Bandini in the starting gate again.
All Things Considered...I expect to see him standing at Ashford next year...after we've possibly been brain-washed (into psychological submission) in an attempt to make us believe that he was a great racehorse. I expect to see a barrage of impressive advertising (that arguably Ashford and Coolmore are the best at) including quotes that (tongue in cheek) might not pass a sniff-test...forget a polygraph.
I expect Bandini will be healthy...fit...spectacularly groomed...and ready to cover his first 200 mares in 2006...amazing but possibly true.
Until later this summer (or possibly into the fall) I expect the stories surrounding Bandini will probably seem to keep the door open to his return to the races...but unless his connections feel extremely confident that he can come back (this fall or for 2006) and have a highly successful race-campaign (that can positively affect his stud fee)...why do it?
Conversely, it seems there is no benefit to announcing his retirement now...there is always that slim chance he'll be back...but I'd guess it's a VERY slim chance.
Respectfully
I'll be surprised if we ever see Bandini in the starting gate again.
All Things Considered...I expect to see him standing at Ashford next year...after we've possibly been brain-washed (into psychological submission) in an attempt to make us believe that he was a great racehorse. I expect to see a barrage of impressive advertising (that arguably Ashford and Coolmore are the best at) including quotes that (tongue in cheek) might not pass a sniff-test...forget a polygraph.
I expect Bandini will be healthy...fit...spectacularly groomed...and ready to cover his first 200 mares in 2006...amazing but possibly true.
Until later this summer (or possibly into the fall) I expect the stories surrounding Bandini will probably seem to keep the door open to his return to the races...but unless his connections feel extremely confident that he can come back (this fall or for 2006) and have a highly successful race-campaign (that can positively affect his stud fee)...why do it?
Conversely, it seems there is no benefit to announcing his retirement now...there is always that slim chance he'll be back...but I'd guess it's a VERY slim chance.
Respectfully
Hi Austique,
I believe that Lion Heart presents a package to the breeder that few incoming stallions in recent years has
Lion Heart was an undefeated G1 winning 2yo with 1:20.3 speed, and a G1 winner, multiple classic placed at 3. He was every bit the tiger that his name implies, a dealy fast front runner with tenacity. He was a far superior race horse to his sire (Tale Of The Cat) who never raced at 2, never won a G1 race but still stood for $25,000 in his first year.
Lion Heart has only 1 sibling to race (the next foal is a 2yo Silver Deputy colt of 2005), the SW FRENCH SATIN (G3) who won twice as a 2yo.
Bandini has commercial value from his sire, a deeper pedigree than Lion Heart (but not as much in the first generation) and Stormy Atlantic (sire) in his pedigree to aid his appeal but he won only one stakes race, a G1 to be sure.
Both were strong sales horses. Bandini brough $500k as a yearling, Lion Heart $1,400k as a 2yo.
Bandini now has soundness concerns. Lion Heart ran 10 times and danced all the dances. His dam, Satin Sunrise, while only a modest SW, did race 78 times.
Lion Heart probably would have been favored in the BC Juvenile and had he won, he would have had a more impressive 2yo season that champion Vindication (3SWs to 2SWs and 2G1). Lion Heart and Vindication have similar pedigree densities but Vindication started his career as a $100k stallion.
Few top 2yos go on to be major forces in the 3yo ranks these days, but Lion Heart did. Bandini is not a compelling choice to me as a stallion prospect while Lion Heart is. I think Bandini will stand for $20,000, but on balance, compared to Lion Heart I'd consider that a bit overpriced (as I consider The Cliff's Edge).
JMHO
Regards,
Pete
I believe that Lion Heart presents a package to the breeder that few incoming stallions in recent years has
Lion Heart was an undefeated G1 winning 2yo with 1:20.3 speed, and a G1 winner, multiple classic placed at 3. He was every bit the tiger that his name implies, a dealy fast front runner with tenacity. He was a far superior race horse to his sire (Tale Of The Cat) who never raced at 2, never won a G1 race but still stood for $25,000 in his first year.
Lion Heart has only 1 sibling to race (the next foal is a 2yo Silver Deputy colt of 2005), the SW FRENCH SATIN (G3) who won twice as a 2yo.
Bandini has commercial value from his sire, a deeper pedigree than Lion Heart (but not as much in the first generation) and Stormy Atlantic (sire) in his pedigree to aid his appeal but he won only one stakes race, a G1 to be sure.
Both were strong sales horses. Bandini brough $500k as a yearling, Lion Heart $1,400k as a 2yo.
Bandini now has soundness concerns. Lion Heart ran 10 times and danced all the dances. His dam, Satin Sunrise, while only a modest SW, did race 78 times.
Lion Heart probably would have been favored in the BC Juvenile and had he won, he would have had a more impressive 2yo season that champion Vindication (3SWs to 2SWs and 2G1). Lion Heart and Vindication have similar pedigree densities but Vindication started his career as a $100k stallion.
Few top 2yos go on to be major forces in the 3yo ranks these days, but Lion Heart did. Bandini is not a compelling choice to me as a stallion prospect while Lion Heart is. I think Bandini will stand for $20,000, but on balance, compared to Lion Heart I'd consider that a bit overpriced (as I consider The Cliff's Edge).
JMHO
Regards,
Pete