Flatter (Claiborne)
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Flatter (Claiborne)
Any thoughts on how crosses for him? What's his conformation like?
"Friendship is Love without his wings" - Lord Byron
He looks lovely. Here's the link to his Claiborne page http://www.claibornefarm.com/stallions/ ... amily.html
Good family (haha could you tell?) and I suppose I'm just not skilled at knowing when stud fees are too low or high when it gets down to this price range cuz some people go "oh it outta be $7500" or "it outta be $3500"...
Question is the motivation of breeding to a stallion like him to get the family of Eastern Echo, Yell, and Congrats to make the foal more valuable at the sale or does a breeder hope Flatter will be the next "low priced stallion does good" and get em a good racehorse? Do you figure Flatter's genes will catch up to the descendents at some point if you keep the mares strong? There's many a royally bred stallion standing for a low fee that should've raced better or been expected to throw better foals or whatever but doesn't and is an absolute dud. What do you do with a horse like this?
Good family (haha could you tell?) and I suppose I'm just not skilled at knowing when stud fees are too low or high when it gets down to this price range cuz some people go "oh it outta be $7500" or "it outta be $3500"...
Question is the motivation of breeding to a stallion like him to get the family of Eastern Echo, Yell, and Congrats to make the foal more valuable at the sale or does a breeder hope Flatter will be the next "low priced stallion does good" and get em a good racehorse? Do you figure Flatter's genes will catch up to the descendents at some point if you keep the mares strong? There's many a royally bred stallion standing for a low fee that should've raced better or been expected to throw better foals or whatever but doesn't and is an absolute dud. What do you do with a horse like this?
Heidilady wrote:He looks lovely. Here's the link to his Claiborne page http://www.claibornefarm.com/stallions/ ... amily.html
Good family (haha could you tell?) and I suppose I'm just not skilled at knowing when stud fees are too low or high when it gets down to this price range cuz some people go "oh it outta be $7500" or "it outta be $3500"...
Question is the motivation of breeding to a stallion like him to get the family of Eastern Echo, Yell, and Congrats to make the foal more valuable at the sale or does a breeder hope Flatter will be the next "low priced stallion does good" and get em a good racehorse? Do you figure Flatter's genes will catch up to the descendents at some point if you keep the mares strong? There's many a royally bred stallion standing for a low fee that should've raced better or been expected to throw better foals or whatever but doesn't and is an absolute dud. What do you do with a horse like this?
6 starts?.. durability is questionable??... $142,000 in eraings in this day and age???... class is questionable...... AP Indy????.. okay, but there is an AP Indy on every corner on TB farms around the country. Flatter's bottom side may be the overall strength of this stud, but is it worth $5,000 for an unknown stallion? Not for my $5,000 it's not. I don't like breeding to unproven sires.. and if I do they will have to "deal" especially to a proven mare.
Flatter is hardly unknown around the circles that matter...
Big, good looking fellow with good presence. Seems to be throwing at least some of his assets into his foals. They seem to be very, very solid which will definitely help him until they get to the track... then it is a matter of how they perform.
Race record somewhat deceiving as to his quality as a racehorse. Soundness definitely a question mark, but some very elite stallions suffered similar fate (and talent was similarily considered).
It is hard to question the depth of his female family... and even harder to point to negatives about the broodmare sires found in his pedigree.
Jump Start is another with the same questions... and he had enough "buzz" to justify a double of fee (from initial $5000 to $10,000) before his foals even hit the track. Of course, he is an incredible individual and as a group his foals look very promising.
Of course there are a great many farms looking for a Malibu Moon type of stallion right now, and Flatter and Jump Start are definitely among those considered to have this potential. There is considerable risk to breeding to them "on the bubble", especially considering neither is really expected to hit big early (foals should need a little time). However, breeding to them in the first two years now looks to have been a fairly solid decision.
Big, good looking fellow with good presence. Seems to be throwing at least some of his assets into his foals. They seem to be very, very solid which will definitely help him until they get to the track... then it is a matter of how they perform.
Race record somewhat deceiving as to his quality as a racehorse. Soundness definitely a question mark, but some very elite stallions suffered similar fate (and talent was similarily considered).
It is hard to question the depth of his female family... and even harder to point to negatives about the broodmare sires found in his pedigree.
Jump Start is another with the same questions... and he had enough "buzz" to justify a double of fee (from initial $5000 to $10,000) before his foals even hit the track. Of course, he is an incredible individual and as a group his foals look very promising.
Of course there are a great many farms looking for a Malibu Moon type of stallion right now, and Flatter and Jump Start are definitely among those considered to have this potential. There is considerable risk to breeding to them "on the bubble", especially considering neither is really expected to hit big early (foals should need a little time). However, breeding to them in the first two years now looks to have been a fairly solid decision.
His race career was cut short by a fractured knee. He is bowlegged and both knees look equally badly formed. I saw him his first season, and wondered why anyone would want to breed to a horse with such legs. I haven't seen him since, never wanted to. Maybe I or he was having a bad day. But I would not consider sending him a mare with leg faults.
I liked Jump Start a lot better, even though he also was unsound and fractured (an ankle, I think).
I liked Jump Start a lot better, even though he also was unsound and fractured (an ankle, I think).
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Jump Start
henthorn wrote:I liked Jump Start a lot better, even though he also was unsound and fractured (an ankle, I think).
A friend recently saw Jump Start and liked his temperment. My mare is by a son of KTM who is out of a Minstrel mare and I understand that might go nicely with him but, financially, I think I'd better stick closer to home in the Mid Atlantic.
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