SCAMMED by DAN , For Sale! Daughter of Rodeo, foals winning!
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SCAMMED by DAN , For Sale! Daughter of Rodeo, foals winning!
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LB wrote:You've mentioned several times that the mare is an A++ nick to Tiznow--are you recommending that someone buy her for $1,500 and spend $75,000 to breed her to him?
If they wanted to sure. Or better, maybe the owners would want to try the cross themselves. Might just turn a great runner. But ya know what, I'm sure the only reason you are pointing this out is to make fun of her price or breeding, hummm...... that's ok, there are several of you out there that just love to try and make yourselves look smarter. Did you ever stop to wonder if I made that statment because it's true and for marketing reasons, and to get her attention? I bet ya didn't, and ya know what, she crosses great with many others too. That fact that she's not $150,000, doesn't mean squat. Her foals may stand up much better against BM's foals with heafty price tags, the world see's that happen every day. 2 years in a row, TB prices at sales have dropped almost 50%, if I were a small operation, with low costs, a good trainer, and ran what I grew myself, I'd take her as a BM any day. Have a great day!
reedhill wrote:LB wrote:You've mentioned several times that the mare is an A++ nick to Tiznow--are you recommending that someone buy her for $1,500 and spend $75,000 to breed her to him?
If they wanted to sure. Or better, maybe the owners would want to try the cross themselves. Might just turn a great runner. But ya know what, I'm sure the only reason you are pointing this out is to make fun of her price or breeding, hummm...... that's ok, there are several of you out there that just love to try and make yourselves look smarter. Did you ever stop to wonder if I made that statment because it's true and for marketing reasons, and to get her attention? I bet ya didn't, and ya know what, she crosses great with many others too. That fact that she's not $150,000, doesn't mean squat. Her foals may stand up much better against BM's foals with heafty price tags, the world see's that happen every day. 2 years in a row, TB prices at sales have dropped almost 50%, if I were a small operation, with low costs, a good trainer, and ran what I grew myself, I'd take her as a BM any day. Have a great day!
If you want to know...and it seems you do...I pointed it out because your use of that particular phrase "A++ nick to Tiznow" makes no sense to me, nor can I see how it would be of use to any of your potential buyers. It does put the name of an expensive stallion in your ad, which as you mentioned above is your justification for using it--but its inclusion is totally immaterial to the mare herself and her future prospects.
Whether you think I'm trying to make myself look smarter or not, surely you must be marketing that mare to the dumbest of buyers if you think they wouldn't realize for themselves that the mare is not a suitable mate for Tiznow.
How do you know that with out a doubt, are you God? In the ad, it also reads several other stallions..........
Keeley is a classy mare with a strong pedigree. She is by RODEO (Gone West) who won his first race by 15 lengths, and out of an Alydar G.D. MIDWAY GAL who won $236,370 herself. 1st three dams have good progeny earnings. 06 filly by EVEN THE SCORE sold for 30K. A++ nick with the famous TIZNOW, or several other top TB sires! Bred to FOREST GROVE in 08 but did not get pregnant, 100% breeding sound. Had filly by UNBRIDLED ENERGY in 2008.
She has a strong damside x 3 with good progeny earnings. I'd take her any day over some of the garbage mares bred to good stallions, that have gone through the sales.
Keeley is a classy mare with a strong pedigree. She is by RODEO (Gone West) who won his first race by 15 lengths, and out of an Alydar G.D. MIDWAY GAL who won $236,370 herself. 1st three dams have good progeny earnings. 06 filly by EVEN THE SCORE sold for 30K. A++ nick with the famous TIZNOW, or several other top TB sires! Bred to FOREST GROVE in 08 but did not get pregnant, 100% breeding sound. Had filly by UNBRIDLED ENERGY in 2008.
She has a strong damside x 3 with good progeny earnings. I'd take her any day over some of the garbage mares bred to good stallions, that have gone through the sales.
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reedhill wrote:How do you know that with out a doubt, are you God? In the ad, it also reads several other stallions..........
Keeley is a classy mare with a strong pedigree. She is by RODEO (Gone West) who won his first race by 15 lengths, and out of an Alydar G.D. MIDWAY GAL who won $236,370 herself. 1st three dams have good progeny earnings. 06 filly by EVEN THE SCORE sold for 30K. A++ nick with the famous TIZNOW, or several other top TB sires! Bred to FOREST GROVE in 08 but did not get pregnant, 100% breeding sound. Had filly by UNBRIDLED ENERGY in 2008.
She has a strong damside x 3 with good progeny earnings. I'd take her any day over some of the garbage mares bred to good stallions, that have gone through the sales.
This mare DID go through a sale. Keeneland November a couple of months ago. Result was NO BID meaning they couldn't even get a bid of $1,000 for her.
Just because it's painful to read all of the irrelevant stuff in your ads (how the mare would nick with a stallion she'd never be accepted to or the fact that Gone West appears in her second generation) I'm going to help you out as this mare has a couple of things going for her that SHOULD be advertised and which aren't even mentioned.
Keeley Chay
Nine year-old RODEO mare open and ready to breed in 2009.
Her first foal, Glittering Justice, is a five time winner to 4, 2008.
She's a half-sister to 2yo stakes winner I'M A NUMBERS GUY ($173,094) and ten time winner HALFWAY TO HEAVEN ($296,643).
Her dam MIDWAY GAL was a 13 time winner of $236,369.
A link to her catalog page:
https://secure.keeneland.com/sales/nov08/pdfs/5437.pdf
You know what HOLD YOUR PEACE and JANE, I do appreciate both of your input, because it is very helpful. What I don't respect is LB insinuating she is crap, never worthy of a great guy. I don't know how to word what I read about racing TB's, I'm the first to admit that, I come from a WB and showing backround. I struggle to make my ads good, because I know I'm leaving important things out. Everyone is not at the same knowledge level here, yes I'm at the bottom, but I do know when a horse has value, in fact she seems worth more to me now after you bring mention of the other to me. Thank you for being kind, and whenever you see an ad by me that looks delinquent, please feel free to set me straight. I'm sure this won't be the last one I stumble on.
I didn't see LB's post as insinuating that the mare was crap. Just seemed like a valid question to me.
Think of it like selling a watercolor for $50 and suggesting the new owner take it to a framer and spend $1000 on a custom frame with museum quality glass, double matting, etc. You may find the right buyer that will totally fall in love with it and do just what you suggest, but most potential buyers would question the financial wisdom of such a suggestion, even if they do think the watercolor is pretty.
Think of it like selling a watercolor for $50 and suggesting the new owner take it to a framer and spend $1000 on a custom frame with museum quality glass, double matting, etc. You may find the right buyer that will totally fall in love with it and do just what you suggest, but most potential buyers would question the financial wisdom of such a suggestion, even if they do think the watercolor is pretty.
Well I guess I'm a bit of a dreamer, but come on, nobody but God knows that a mare like this, bred to a great horse, couldn't produce another great horse like the sire, or even 1/2 the horse of the sire. A lot of people would be very happy with that. I hear so much about breeders paying millions for a foal/prospect by a "great" mare, that ends up slow not making 5K OTT. Why not throw a few less expensive mares in there to see what could happen. Speaking of a stallion owner that keeps his own to race, instead of selling all of them. I can't help but think "the odds" could benifit the stallion owner. I'm sure it's had to happen in the past, and someone laughed all the way to the bank!
reedhill wrote:Well I guess I'm a bit of a dreamer, but come on, nobody but God knows that a mare like this, bred to a great horse, couldn't produce another great horse like the sire, or even 1/2 the horse of the sire. A lot of people would be very happy with that. I hear so much about breeders paying millions for a foal/prospect by a "great" mare, that ends up slow not making 5K OTT. Why not throw a few less expensive mares in there to see what could happen. Speaking of a stallion owner that keeps his own to race, instead of selling all of them. I can't help but think "the odds" could benifit the stallion owner. I'm sure it's had to happen in the past, and someone laughed all the way to the bank!
Exactly. No one knows what will happen when you breed one horse to another. (Remember, Secretariat's full sis, The Bride, couldn't outrun a fat man.) But I think that's why a lot of owners would be wary of breeding a $1000 mare to a $75K stallion.
And as for the stallion owner giving it a shot, I think that only works if there is a single owner for the stallion. With Tiznow, as with many of the top stallions, the owner is a syndicate made up of many different owners, and each of those owners gets a finite number of breedings each season. So, if you own a share of Tiznow, what would you do with your season? Would you use it to breed to a $1000 mare? Or would you pick a "better" mare to use it on? Or would you sell it as a NG season and get maybe $40K for it? I'm not sure there's a correct answer, but I think there are answers that would make more or less sense to most people.
Ok, I see.......multiple owners, looking for top mares, understandable.
Ok, I'm really going to put my head on the chopping block now. Now I'm really going to look certified
I think it would be interesteng for the JC to promote maybe a "Broodmare Incentive Fund" for special mare owners. Allowing the previous year's top 25 SIRE OF SIRE'S and top 25 BROODMARE SIRES to except 10 "voted on" (by the sire's owners) mares from any owners that could prove the following in photos, writing, and testing:
correct conformation
16 to 17 hands
cannon bones measuring 8.5 inches or more
non-bleeders within the first generation
breeding sound
purchase price less than 5k
good x-rays
negative scope
no mental issues
non cribber with no vices
etc.....
Maybe there could be a YOUTH (16 to 21 y/o) BMIF
AMATEUR BMIF (21 to 50 y/o) - open to those never winning a race
SENIOR BMIF - (50 and over) that has less than 20 mares, and has not paid over 5k for a stud fee.
Let these people have a specified 2 weeks in November to submit a letter to the stallion of choice, to let the owners choose which mares get the 10 slots for that special BMIF. Those offspring would be flagged at sales as being in one of those BMIF's. A % BONUS paid to the mare owner when the prospect goes through a commercial sale, and when the horse w-p-s OTT. Horses that end up making x amount OTT at year's end, a % bonus goes back to the original mare owner again.
Maybe this would reach out to those who were gifted, and encourage more people to try thier hand at racing, increasing revenue for the sport. It would certainly make for new relationships to form and let the "little" guy always have the capacity to win one of those breedings.
Ok, I'm really going to put my head on the chopping block now. Now I'm really going to look certified
I think it would be interesteng for the JC to promote maybe a "Broodmare Incentive Fund" for special mare owners. Allowing the previous year's top 25 SIRE OF SIRE'S and top 25 BROODMARE SIRES to except 10 "voted on" (by the sire's owners) mares from any owners that could prove the following in photos, writing, and testing:
correct conformation
16 to 17 hands
cannon bones measuring 8.5 inches or more
non-bleeders within the first generation
breeding sound
purchase price less than 5k
good x-rays
negative scope
no mental issues
non cribber with no vices
etc.....
Maybe there could be a YOUTH (16 to 21 y/o) BMIF
AMATEUR BMIF (21 to 50 y/o) - open to those never winning a race
SENIOR BMIF - (50 and over) that has less than 20 mares, and has not paid over 5k for a stud fee.
Let these people have a specified 2 weeks in November to submit a letter to the stallion of choice, to let the owners choose which mares get the 10 slots for that special BMIF. Those offspring would be flagged at sales as being in one of those BMIF's. A % BONUS paid to the mare owner when the prospect goes through a commercial sale, and when the horse w-p-s OTT. Horses that end up making x amount OTT at year's end, a % bonus goes back to the original mare owner again.
Maybe this would reach out to those who were gifted, and encourage more people to try thier hand at racing, increasing revenue for the sport. It would certainly make for new relationships to form and let the "little" guy always have the capacity to win one of those breedings.