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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:36 pm 
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If you look at the Henny Hughes sales numbers in general, they are pretty uninspiring. His offspring who are already running haven't exactly set the world on fire, yet.

I've been especially following him because Cuando Quiere, Honey Ryder's dam, foaled an HH this year. Because of her age, this will probably be her last foal. Possible bummer. :x


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:56 pm 
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BenB wrote:
In france with the standardsbreds, the societe general (the jockeyclub) forces you to take such a broodie out of production.
As the broodies products, after five times a non winner, are not elegible for any
preminuns any more. In france that is 60% bonus up to the purses


That would definitely force a broodmare owner to breed to something other than the stallion with the highest stud fees.


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Griff If I didn't know better, I'd think you know my very French ex LOL :twisted:

so so true!!!!

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Starting to look like car crash TV.

Averages are now way down but not stated in reports after the reports of the first three days an increase in averages - pathetic journalism.


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Ah, dublino, our media must have met my grandmother.. "if you can't say anything nice, find something nice to say.." I call it Omission Journalism.

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thoughts on 2375? Anyone seen her? After market/Yolanda B. Too

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If you compare day-by-day (and by hips covered) rather than by the books--since the schedule is different than the previous sales--you can see that by average and median the sale is actually quite a bit stronger than last year. Nobody is setting the world on fire (unless you own a Malibu Moon :wink: ) but the market is slowly improving.

I wouldn't be surprised if things drop off pretty sharply for the last three books though.


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Figures for Day 8 of the sale in 2010:
average: $51,117
median: $39,500
RNA rate: 21.9%


Figures for Day 8 in 2009:
average: $35,565
median: $25,000
RNA rate: 25.1%


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What I heard from someone back there who has bought a handful so far is that the good horses are tough to buy and you still have to pay real money. Where the market is just dead is on the horse that should be 6 figures by page and physical but doesn't vet well and the buyers are looking for $40,000 to get out. Either those horses are RNAing or they are selling for four figures because no one is on them. People are really shying away from bad scopes and suspicious XRs this year no matter what the horse looks like otherwise.

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You mean for horses like these? THREE Henny Hughes for ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS each. I guess if she's got ovaries she's good for the stallion.

369 Bill Murphy Agent VII Street Sense --- Awful Smart GR/RO C Row Seven Racing 1000
490 Millennium Farms Agent VIII Corinthian --- Champagne Ending CH C Lawless Racing Stables 1000
578 Four Star Sales Agent III Scat Daddy --- Debbie's Assault DB/BR F After Dark Racing 1000
666 Brookdale Sales Agent Mr. Greeley --- Ever Hopeful GR/RO C Southern Racing 1000
685 Trackside Farm (Tom Evans) Agent for Liberation Farm et al. Henny Hughes --- Fast Lover GR/RO C Horse Rehab 1000
999 Brandywine Farm (Jim & Pam Robinson) Agent for Liberation Farm and Brandywine Henny Hughes --- Mama Dean CH C Lawless Racing 1000
1010 Lakland Sales Henny Hughes --- Chelsea Ballad CH F Simmons Bloodstock 1000
1191 Bluewater Sales LLC Agent I Empire Maker --- Proper Cielo B C Gus King 1000
1882 Lane's End Agent Mineshaft --- Singing Dixie CH F T K Garcia 1000
2226 Trackside Farm (Tom Evans) Agent for Hill Farms Political Force --- Our Little C B C Marshall Racing 1000
2290 Trackside Farm (Tom Evans) Agent for Liberation Farm and Oratis Roman Ruler --- Skies of Blue B F Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 1000
2276 Millennium Farms Agent XII Any Given Saturday --- Sessile B F Gary Capuano Agent 1200
1336 Runnymede Farm Inc. (Catesby W. Clay) Agent Mizzen Mast --- Sheriffs Lap DB/BR C Adam Racing 1500
2031 Select Sales Agent for Ashleigh Stud Bob and John --- Claire Soleil DB/BR F Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 1500
2091 Paramount Sales Agent LXVIII Johannesburg --- Gammon B F Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 1500
2271 Four Star Sales Agent XXI Stormy Atlantic --- Saintly Speech DB/BR C Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 1500
945 Dromoland Farm Inc. Agent VIII Johannesburg --- Lemon Lady B C Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 2000
1938 Brandywine Farm (Jim & Pam Robinson) Langfuhr --- Unky and Ally CH F Michael Pressley 2000
1795 Eaton Sales Agent El Corredor --- Mystery's Essence B F Lynn A. Green 2500
1123 Dromoland Farm Inc. Agent I Corinthian --- Oyster Baby B F John Black for Adam Racing 3000
1483 Chesapeake Farm (Drew Nardiello) Agent V Langfuhr --- Thundering Irish DB/BR F Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 3000
1507 Dromoland Farm Inc. Agent XIV Johannesburg --- Twin Induction CH F Thomas Galvin 3000
1911 Claiborne Farm Agent Strong Hope --- Tell It CH C Mike Racing Corp. 3000
1013 Lane's End Agent Dixie Union --- Maxine's Hymn DB/BR C Breaking Point Farm 4000
1025 Chesapeake Farm (Drew Nardiello) Agent I Bernstein --- Chief Tappanzee B F Gus King 4000
1542 Lane's End Agent After Market --- Winterose B C Jose A. Giron 4000
378 Four Star Sales Agent V Henny Hughes --- Bala CH C Dane Kobiskie/PTK LLC 5000
406 Bluewater Sales LLC Agent XLI Elusive Quality --- Bella Gatto CH F Breaking Point Farm 5000
460 Greenfield Farm (B.D. Gibbs Farm LLC) Agent XIII Mr. Greeley --- Candleinthedark DB/BR F Breaking Point Farm 5000
839 Barbara Hunter dba Brownwood Farm Cozzene --- Square Dance DB/BR C Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 5000
1438 Taylor Made Sales Agency Agent CXCII Bernardini --- Susan's Angel B C Adam Racing 5000
1574 Adena Springs Awesome Again --- Bertrandostreasure DB/BR F Adam Racing 5000
1703 Taylor Made Sales Agency Agent CLVIII Elusive Quality --- Haramooni B F Surfside Stables 5000
1766 Three Chimneys Sales Agent for Stonestreet Thoroughbred Holdings LLC Ghostzapper --- Majestic Ruckus CH F American Horse 5000
1809 Lane's End Agent Aragorn (IRE) --- Open View CH F Maria's Stable 5000
1913 Eaton Sales Agent Broken Vow --- Ten Kisses CH C Dante Zanelli Agent 5000
2024 Select Sales Agent Any Given Saturday --- Chanceisalady DB/BR F True South LLC 5000
2027 Legacy Bloodstock Agent LIV Kitten's Joy --- Cherokee Probe B C Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 5000
2131 Hidden Brook Agent I Awesome Again --- India Halo (ARG) DB/BR F Howard C. Nolan 5000
2180 Paragon Farms LLC Agent Silver Deputy --- Magical Masquerade CH C Mark Glatt 5000
2297 Warrendale Sales Agent XIX Master Command --- Southern Solstice B C Vernon R. Miller 5000
1556 Adena Springs Mizzen Mast --- American Sound B F Joe Robson 5500
1561 Claiborne Farm Agent Smoke Glacken --- Arch Enemy GR/RO F Jose A. Giron 5500
1858 Denali Stud (Craig and Holly Bandoroff) Agent XI Any Given Saturday --- Santona (CHI) DB/BR F Adam Racing 5500
451 Four Star Sales Agent V Elusive Quality --- Buy Out Time B F Breaking Point Farm 6000
1587 Eaton Sales Agent Limehouse --- Booking DB/BR F Steve Fisher 6000
1901 Lane's End Agent for Edward P. Evans (Spring Hill Farm) Lemon Drop Kid --- Strelladar CH F Gary Capuano Agent 6000
2282 Brandywine Farm (Jim & Pam Robinson) Agent for Liberation Farm and Brandywine Henny Hughes --- Shuffle Again DB/BR C Dante Zanelli Agent for Maria's Stable 6000
224 Lane's End Agent Dixie Union --- Valenza B F Meadowlands Stud 7000
926 Margaux Farm LLC Agent XII Gone West --- Lady Tap B C Adam Racing 7000
1026 Dromoland Farm Inc. Agent XIV Johannesburg --- Midday Runner B C Raut LLC 7000
1762 Lane's End Agent Henny Hughes --- Lunes Grito DB/BR F Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 7000
1933 Taylor Made Sales Agency Agent CXCVI Bluegrass Cat --- Unbridled Lady B F Alan S. Kline 7000
2038 James M. Herbener Jr. Agent IV Half Ours --- Confidential GR/RO F Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 7000
2312 Brandywine Farm (Jim & Pam Robinson) Agent for Brandywine and Bill Justice Hard Spun --- Summertown B F Dante Zanelli Agent for Maria's Stable 7000
1743 Lane's End Agent Rock Hard Ten --- Lady Doms Tiara DB/BR F Jim Tichenor 7500
2033 Hidden Brook Agent XX Master Command --- Class Selection CH C Adam Racing 7500
2069 Select Sales Agent English Channel --- Emily's Angel DB/BR C Crupi New Castle Farm 7500
495 Lane's End Agent Unbridled's Song --- Charm B F Wesley Ward 8000
1146 Bluegrass Thor. Services Inc. (J. Stuart) Agent II English Channel --- Perfect Blend (GB) B C John Black for Adam Racing 8000
1182 Asmussen Horse Center Agent Broken Vow --- Pretty Gale B F Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 8000
1804 Eaton Sales Agent Discreet Cat --- November Morn DB/BR C Mark Glatt 8000
2029 James M. Herbener Jr. Agent III Tiznow --- Christmas Jones B C Gregory Peck 8000
1619 Eaton Sales Agent Indian Charlie --- Conja B F Eric Reed Agt. for Premiere Equine 8500
1126 Lane's End Agent Elusive Quality --- Palace Rumor B F Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 9000
1240 Anderson Farms Agent for Kinghaven Farms Ltd. Street Sense --- Reportedly B C Breaking Point Farm 9000
1520 Claiborne Farm Agent Eddington --- Vespers CH C Luis A. Shirley 9000
1605 Taylor Made Sales Agency Agent XXXIX Henny Hughes --- Chasseresse B C Solitary Oak Inc. 9000
1677 Bluewater Sales LLC Agent for Greenwood Lodge Farm Indian Charlie --- Forest Lady B F Paul E. Martin 9000
1783 Gainesway Agent for AGS Thoroughbreds Macho Uno --- Miss Hannah B F Dr. Alvin Wong 9000
1812 Adena Springs Awesome Again --- Out of Pride CH C Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 9000
1868 Lane's End Agent Henny Hughes --- Sheer Luck B F Steve Baker 9000
2135 Brandywine Farm (Jim & Pam Robinson) Agent for Liberation Farm and Brandywine Henny Hughes --- Innovate CH C Dane Kobiskie (PTK LLC) 9000
2199 Brereton C. Jones/Airdrie Stud Agent Istan --- Miss Maddie Puff B C Alan Booge Racing Inc. 9000
2262 Ashview Farm LLC (Mr. and Mrs. Wayne G. Lyster III) Agent Empire Maker --- Robins Reign DB/BR F Kazakov Agent/Raut LLC 9000
2309 Hidden Brook Agent for Herman Sarkowsky Medaglia d'Oro --- Stormy Reply DB/BR F Race Point Stables LLC 9000
1680 Bluewater Sales LLC Agent XIV Henny Hughes --- Fresh Tracks B C Shoreline Stables 9500
2278 Burleson Farms LLC Agent Henny Hughes --- She's Loaded CH C Bryan Porter 9500


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:46 am 
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Toccet02 wrote:
thoughts on 2375? Anyone seen her? After market/Yolanda B. Too


She is gorgeous--chestnut, blaze, 3 white socks. Not built after her dam. 16K. Once again, anyone know anything, YB2 is my fave mare. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:58 am 
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Tappiano wrote:
You mean for horses like these? THREE Henny Hughes for ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS each. I guess if she's got ovaries she's good for the stallion.





What exactly is that supposed to mean? Surely you dont mean, or think, that the dams of these yearlings were poor quality. So what exactly does that mean?


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You can't make any assumptions on the quality of a mare or the thought that went into the breeding based on the prices you're seeing. So many of the breeders just need to get out on these horses that they will let them go for whatever they bring no matter how low. And since there are plenty of yearlings to choose from, the questionable ones (for whatever reason) have NO buyers. The sales have always been a beauty pagent. It wouldn't surprise me to see some of those selling for under 5K turn into good racehorses.


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The fact that they sold for 1,000 speaks for itself, but perhaps you know better?


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