Pedigree Query

A couple of the quoted times for these sale juveniles were a little hard for me to swallow. 10 1/5 for a furloung? It doesn't make sense that they'd fudge on the time, but it is definitely pushing the envelope.

Take a look at the times for the recent FTTEXAS sale at Lone Star. There were quite a few under 11.

And take a look at the OBS April sale too

I'm beginning to see :11 times as slow...I thought MOST of them were 10.3 or 4. I'm not agreeing with the practice...but just recalling what I've seen.

I'm wondering if it means anything in terms the sale/and higher prices if these juveniles are pushed a few fractions of second under 11.

I remember it being a factor in the bidding war over the Green Monkey--his sub :10 time. Seems like right after he did it, it became much more common. And of course, he didn't do much on the track . . .

Shammy Davis wrote:I'm wondering if it means anything in terms the sale/and higher prices if these juveniles are pushed a few fractions of second under 11.

The vast majority of sales 2yos work in times under 11.

The only reason the breezes were so "slow" at the TX sale is because the horses worked into a strong headwind on a deep, dry track.

Good bye tendons, knees, ankles, on most.

[quote="tbrace"]Good bye tendons, knees, ankles, on most.[/quote]







Good bye racing career. Most wont make it to next April.

Well said, Ageecee,

Some have said that BC3 and others, who often have sub 11 second 2yos, go through horses at about 10 to 1 ratio of those who start 2yo training and those who even make it to the sale.

Those that race are even fewer, you are correct.

tbrace wrote:Well said, Ageecee,

Some have said that BC3 and others, who often have sub 11 second 2yos, go through horses at about 10 to 1 ratio of those who start 2yo training and those who even make it to the sale.

Those that race are even fewer, you are correct.

The only thing dumber than "some" who say that would be "some" who believe those statements and repeat them.

Because the figures were easily accessible I pulled up all of BC3's Keeneland September purchases from 2007.

There were nine purchased there.

These horses are now five.

All nine (100%) of the yearlings purchased "made it" to a 2yo sale.

All nine (100%) of the yearlings purchased also "made it" into the starting gate and raced.

Seven of the nine (78%) "made it" to the winner's circle.

This spot sample seems to differ quite a bit from the assertion that only 1 in 10 (10%) of their yearlings even "make it" through training.

A sample of 10 of hundreds is dumber than "some" others.

Do you think that is the only 10 horses they had in 2007? Their barn usually had between 100 and 150 horses in a given year.

Do you have any day to day experience with any two year old pinhookers, or are you just reading some numbers from a one sale?

tbrace wrote:A sample of 10 of hundreds is dumber than "some" others.

Do you think that is the only 10 horses they had in 2007? Their barn usually had between 100 and 150 horses in a given year.

Do you have any day to day experience with any two year old pinhookers, or are you just reading some numbers from a one sale?

Feel free to compile a comprehensive sample in an effort to show that a large percentage of yearlings purchased by pinhookers never even make it to a 2yo sale.

You won't like what you find though - since you seem intent on clinging to your ignorant notions that you've never supported with a shred of data.

Dont ruin their fun with facts.