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.. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:42 am
by madelyn
KeeSep had nearly 30 Oxbow's - and THREE brought a price over his $20K stud fee. I did not have any time to get to this sale - just was able to scan results and occasionally watch online at the end of my day. It seemed in keeping with the past - very outstandingly prepped big babies sold well and ordinary looking ones brought nothing.

I'm quite certain there were many bargains to be had - the small ones usually don't do well and they grow up just fine. To me the prices at the top end exhibited a level of sanity not seen before and the middle seemed to look better.

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:01 pm
by springboro
Oxbow, Americain, Gemologist, Raison d'Etat, Grey Swallow .... and many Animal Kingdoms. Just not popular commerically

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:05 am
by madelyn
and of course the spinmasters are all about the GAINS in this sale over prior ones. My rider bought two by Raison d'Etat, a colt and a filly.. I think $1100 for one and $1300 for the other. Grass horses.

I am stuck right now with two grass fillies. They are so tough to get a Race for! I have trained them to run 5-8 furlongs, one is better at 5 than the mile and the other is better at the mile but they have cashed checks at both ends. One might be able to run on hard packed mud but the other one definitely Grass Only. Getting IN a turf race, getting it to go ON the turf etc. it's brutal. It's one thing to get stuck with a grass horse as in you tried everything and the only thing that works for that horse is turf. It is quite another to knowingly buy or breed one.

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:13 pm
by Joltman
All weather an option - Erie's a long way tho. Heading into winter, why not just take a few weeks in Fla and get some sunshine and a turf race or two?

jm

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:14 pm
by Joltman
All weather an option - Erie's a long way tho. Heading into winter, why not just take a few weeks in Fla and get some sunshine and a turf race or two?

jm

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:09 am
by madelyn
:D not really options - we have poly at Turfway. Now that Indiana is open into November the great chasm that is the Churchill-Keeneland-Churchill stretch (nowhere to run a less talented type) has shrunk to only about 3 weeks. The challenge is finding any grass races, though. Churchill wrote nearly NOTHING in the September book. The turf was in abysmal shape - overgrown, patchy, weedy from neglect over the summer and they needed to shape it up for Breeder's Cup. I think Keeneland will draw some REALLY tough competition this year with horses coming in to get ready for Breeder's Cup so it is off my list. So there is only the Indiana book. Churchill November has only a very few MSW races on the grass. Nothing at all really below MSW stakes or allowance.

If you someday reach a point where you are paying the bills on a young horse in training that turns out to only be able perform on the grass you will feel my pain.

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:18 pm
by springboro
I can't believe that Oxbow is still viable after this round of sales. His babies are essentially being given away. What will his 2020 stud fee be?

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:15 pm
by madelyn
He was $15K in 2019. I could see them dropping him, maybe to $7500 or something. I am still trying to figure out Calumet's business model. Some of the stallions have nice pedigrees and such but there is No Mare Quality Control whatsoever and they seem to throw a lot of foals out there. It seems to me that they toss a lot of money around. I don't know how they Get the fees they publish on these horses.

I bought a Birdstone colt out back last year that was a Calumet colt - he was by Birdstone out of Player's Court by Tapit. Calumet bought Player's Court in foal to Old Fashioned for $40,000 at Keeneland November 2015. They sold the Old Fashioned filly as a short yearling at Jan Keeneland 2017 for $1700. They bred the mare back to Raison d'Etat and sold that filly for $4,000 at Keeneland September. They bred the mare to Birdstone and I bought that one. On the colt's paperwork in the field marked "mare bred back to" was written "mare died." The Birdstone colt was a bit small, kind of wormy and underfed. That's three years of mare care, farrier, vet etc. on a $40,000 purchase, got $5700 on the foals less about $2,000 per horse for sales costs plus the few hundred for the colt I got out back. It puzzles me.

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:15 am
by madelyn
So Oxbow is down to $10K for 2021.. but I think there are much better values out there. It's an interesting year, with fees mostly staying the same or declining.

Re: .. and Still No Love For Oxbow

Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:11 pm
by Joltman
1% SW, Dragging mares down. Doesn't look good. Any other farm would have him in Turkey by now.

Needs a big one - fast.

jm