Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[BenB]

PAYNTER (USA) b. C, 2009 DP = 6-0-8-0-0 (14) DI = 2.50 CD = 0.86 - 5 Starts, 2 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $352,224

Owner: Zayat Stables, LLC
Breeder: Diamond A Racing Corp.
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 5 Starts: 2 - 2 - 0, $352,224

At 3: 2nd Belmont Stakes (G1,Bel,12F), Derby Trial S. (G3,CD,8f)

Foaled March 4, 2009.
Originally named M C's Dream.
Won Debut by 4 1/4L (5.5F MSW,Santa Anita), February 18, 2012.

PAYNTER b. C, 2009
Awesome Again---Yizso, by Cees Tizzy

P is a NFB being inbred 4 X 5 X 5 ND
P has 12 crosses NP stallions & 18 crosses NP mares

This is a text book NFB mating. The speed of Ph. is thru the sire AA, & the outcross was made thru the mare Yizso=Fair Play stamina.

We dont find prolific crosses of thse Ph. stallions, like we see in those FB matings. This NFB mating has a balance of Ph. & NP stallions & mares.

P, has inherited a robust NFB conformation thru his balance of sire lines.

Louis, tell yourself that Elivette is an FB type 1 and paynter is an NFB.

So I would say, try to tell this useless theory somewhere else. I hate to see somebody writting complete nonsense.

[parlo]

4x4 Northern Dancer = "Louis-FB";
4x5x5 Northern Dancer = "Louis-NFB".

Well, that's the "Louis-tb-world" - he takes it as it pleases him - this must not be the real world.

Hey Conductor, please let me have another round on that weird merry-go-round!

[BenB]

Well, I am pleased not belonging to the Louis, world.

Louis, is gooiing were the wind is gooiing, should be costing a lot of energy, gooiing round and round and round.

Parlo; next week Iam gooiing to see Miracles, Margreet loves to take a share in that one, as he was giving up for death three times at his birth.

It should be spelled as miracle, but the owner put an s behind it.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/au+dixie another half from the three earlier
bespoken horses 19 starts inbred off course

[louis finochio]

REGALLY SOUL (USA) dkb/br. C, 2010 DP = 5-8-17-4-0 (34) DI = 1.72 CD = 0.41

Breeder: Charles Fipke
State Bred: KY

REGALLY SOUL br. C, 2010
Perfect Soul---Rgaly Bred, by A. P. Indy

RS was pulled up after a half mile, & did not finish the race. I dont know if he was injured, 8/4/12 at DM.

RS is a type 1 FB being inbred 3 X 5 ND---3 X 4 X 5 Secretariat---4 X 5 Bold Ruler
RS has 26 crosses Ph. stallions & 13 crosses Ph. mares
RS has the same PH. individuals that have contributed to the most injuries & breakdowns inside the curve of unsoundness, they are:

Mr. P., Secretariat 3 crosses, ND 2 crosses, Buckpasser, Bold Ruler 2 crosses, RAN, Nasrullah, Hail to Reason, Native Dancer, Nearco, Nearctic, Bold Reasoning, Storm Cat, Natalma.

This type 1 FB mating creates a high degree of unsoundness. Inbreed to one sire line has been carried too far.

[Diane]

Regally Soul might not have broke down. If you look at his works www.equibase.com it gives a picture of a talented 2 yr old.
Then if you look at www.calracing.com and view the head on shot you'll notice the extreme weaving that took place by horses on both sides of this talented 2yr old while he remained on a steady course himself. Lastly I would consider that Regally Soul might have another entry at Del Mar.
Louis let's not count Regally Soul out just yet. If his heels were clipped his peers had more to do with it than his parentage.

[louis finochio]

Diane: Who trains RS ? I want to look at his conformation, Thanks, Louis.

[DDT]

Louis

I guess the charts printed in the local paper don't carry all of the information, at any rate the trainer of record is Walther Solis. Do you even know how to obtain a results chart let alone read one?

DDT

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[quote="DDT"]Louis

I guess the charts printed in the local paper don't carry all of the information, at any rate the trainer of record is Walther Solis. Do you even know how to obtain a results chart let alone read one?

DDT[/quote]

This is a textbook example of a rhetorical question.

[louis finochio]

Thanks, WS is stabled at HP, I will call him & find out the condition of RS.

[louis finochio]

MAGICAL TREVOR (USA) ch. C, 2004 DP = 6-1-11-1-1 (20) DI = 1.67 CD = 0.50 - 2 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $4,500

Owner: Peter Abruzzo, John Carver & Tom Swear
Breeder: Grapestock LLC & Westwood Thoroughbreds LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 2 Starts: 1 - 0 - 0, $4,500

won 5/1/07 Fairmount Park, mdn clmg, $2,820, 6 f, 1:12.40.
6/5/07: 5.5f $7.5K clm, Fairmount 1, returned lame.

MAGICAL TREVOR ch. C, 2004
Pure Prize---Mollywaki, by Miswaki

MT was a type 1 FB, being inbred 3 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 RAN---4 X 5 Gold Digger---4 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 ND.

MT had 22 crosses PH. stallions & 13 crosses PH. mares
MT had the same Ph. stallions & mares that have contributed to the most injuries & breakdowns, that are found insude the curve of unsoundness, they are:

Tom Fool, Nashua, Native Dancer, ND 2 crosses, Buckpasser 2 crosses, RAN 2 crosses, Bold Ruler, Nearctic, Secretariat, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Nijinsky, Storm Cat, Natalma, Gold Digger 2 crosses.

[DDT]

Louis

Magical Trevor ran 2 times as a two year old in 2006 and 6 times as a three year old in 2007, with 2 wins and $7,295 in earnings. He raced once after returning lame in his 7th start. Why are you continuing to use examples that raced 6 years ago, there are plenty to choose from as recent examples? You have been advised many times that you can't rely on the racing information provided by PQ, but you continue to post information without checking the data. Inbreeding to one sire line is not a primary reason for breakdowns or non-starters.

DDT

[louis finochio]

If i were a tb breeder, I would never become a Fashion breeder. We have lost too many great breeders of the past. If they were alive in the present, they would see what i have seen.

Those that breed for Fashion have created tons of non-athletic tbs. I have seen 100s of them in my search of this thread. A breeder of FB will wish for the Grand Slam, if he hits a GS, he will have injured too many tbs as a sacrifice to hit the GS. Many are called, but few are chosen.

[parlo]

Louis ... You have been advised many times that you can't rely on the racing information provided by PQ, but you continue to post information without checking the data. ...

He will never understand, he will never learn, because

... Many are called, but few are chosen ...

... and that's the very reason, why "pedigree-researchers" are most often no scientists or at least people of scientific intellectuality - more a kind of astrologists.


... and what is even more important: profound opposition to the main-thesis of this thread leads to peple being warnied-off, who we owe valuable and appreciated information. But this is not Louis's fault.

Take it as it pleases you, but not without humour.

[louis finochio]

I have been working around trainers, vets, farriers, owners, breeders for 50 years. I have acquired most all of my knowledge from them. If i wanted to become a trainer, i would work for a trainer & come up the right way.

Then when i start training, i will have a head start over someone that was a car salesman last week, & is now a novice trainer.

[BenB]

Louis, you have chosen yourself. calling yourself pedigree researcher.

As there is no eductional underground needed, you educated yourself.
Nothing against that, but your actual knowledge is a little bit shy, on the reality.

something about PAYNTER NFB

http://www.drf.com/news/paynter-went-me ... s-jeopardy