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Postby BenB » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:37 am

You have to go, a full generation back, to find an nfb that stayed a while in tge game, congrats for digging so deep and so long, this must be rewarded by me.

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Postby ElPrado » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:27 am

And of course, you need to go 63 years back to find examples you want to post about.
By the way, are you the only one to have noticed how they spelled Ridan? Really?

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:09 am

TEMERITY (USA) b. G, 2006 DP = 4-2-12-0-0 (18) DI = 2.00 CD = 0.56 - 19 Starts, 4 Wins, 4 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $106,620

Owner: Jay Em Ess Stable
Breeder: Peter E. Blum & Gerry Dilger
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 19 Starts: 4 - 4 - 1, $106,620

Foaled Feb 1, 2006
EASSep'07:$170K

Sadly, was euthanized due to fractured sesamoids sustained in Del Mar race 10 8/18/2012. RIP

TEMERITY b. G, 2006
Lion Heart---Twin Inductioin, by Slewacide

T was a type 1 FB, being inbred 4 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Gold Digger---5 X 5 ND

T had 26 crosses Ph. stallions & 17 crosses Ph. mares
Those Ph. individuals that appear in those FB, are found in T 5 generation pedigree. They our:

ND 2 crosses, RAN 2 crosses, Tom Fool, Turn-to, Secretariat, Mr. P., 2 crosses, Hail to Reason, Bold Reasoning, Buckpasser, Storm Cat, Gold Digger 2 crosses.
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Postby BenB » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:40 am

Louis, as the nfb,s went all out of the game, only fb,s are over.

Dead heat winner of the travers 2012: Golden Ticket, another quality FB 2

http://www.pedigreequery.com/golden+ticket7

Sorry but I can not refuse this.

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:34 am

All of these 3 yr. olds are NFB, they have survived the rigors of training & racing.

Alpha, Liaison, Street Life, My Adonis, Five Sixteen, Paynter, Dullahan, Willy Beamin, Contested.

All of these 3 yr. olds are FB, Golden Ticket, Trinniberg.

I have been tracking those 3 yr. olds for the last 8 years, those FB are the first to go down to injuries, thru training & racing.
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Postby ElPrado » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:00 am

Another NFB, Street Life, is now injured. :)

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Postby BenB » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:13 pm

an fB is having more strains to PH than just 3x4, sp an doudle up, or an 5x5x5 would fit the job also.

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Postby louis finochio » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:34 am

BLUEMBER (USA) dkb/br. G, 2008 DP = 5-5-10-0-0 (20) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.75 - 11 Starts, 2 Wins, 1 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $77,738

Owner: Mount Joy Stables, Inc.
Breeder: Mount Joy Stables, Inc.
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 11 Starts: 2 - 1 - 0, $77,738

RNA $190K FT Saratoga 2009.
Sadly, Broke Down near the finish of Race 8 at Saratoga on 8/22/2012 & had to be euthanized due to fractured sesamoids in his right front leg. RIP (no death report)

BLUEMBER br. G, 2008--2012
Bluegrass Cat---Silver Lace, by Silver Deputy

B was a type 1 FB, that offers the highest risk for injuries.
B was inbred 4 X 4 X 4 Mr. P.---4 X 5 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Secretariat---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 X 5 Gold Digger

B had 26 crosses Ph. stallions & 17 crosses Ph. mares.

Those Ph. stallions & mares that consistently appear in those injured FB our:

Bold Ruler 2 crosses, RAN 3 crosses, ND 3 crosses, Secretariat 2 crosses, Bold Reasoning, Nearctic, Mr. P. 3 crosses, Storm Cat, Gold Digger 3 crosses, Natalma.

On a scale of 1-10, i rate this FB mating a 10, because of those prolific crosses of Ph. individuals.
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Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:27 am

What is the best way for an owner to go. If he buys a type 1 FB, he has to assume a high risk for injuries. If he buys a NFB the chance of becoming injured is far less. Those NFB are averaging more lifetime starts.

The best way to buy a sound tb is to have equal inbreeding or single crosses on those Ph. & NP sire lines. These types of tb inherit hybrid vigor, vitality, strength of bone, & an iron constution.
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Postby BenB » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:35 am

Paynter will nor race any time soon. They overtook him in the Haskell.


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... oga-clinic.

He needs a large time off, till next season at least.

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Postby louis finochio » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:04 pm

Paynter is fighting for his life, he has inflamation of his colon. Prayers please.
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Postby louis finochio » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:40 am

MARBURY (USA) b. G, 2000 DP = 9-1-10-0-0 (20) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.95 - 50 Starts, 8 Wins, 9 Places, 11 Shows Career Earnings: $210,560

Owner: Julie Nakahara
Breeder: Nancy & Tom Clark
State Bred: CA
Winnings: 50 Starts: 8 - 9 - 11, $210,560

At 3: 3rd Tacoma H.

Foaled May 3, 2000

MARBURY b. G, 2000
Corslew---Meggles, by Turkoman

M was a NFB being inbred 4 X 4 RAN---5 X 5 Round Table=Prince Rose NP outcross

M had 50% Ph. stallions & 50% NP stallions. These types of NFB matings are breeding sound tbs.
M inbreeding is divided between Ph. & NP, a positive for soundness.
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Postby BenB » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:57 am

Courses , treatment with anti biotics might be an point in this proces.

As anti biotics are killing bacteria good and bad.

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Postby louis finochio » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:30 am

CAPITAL ACCOUNT (USA) b. C, 2007 DP = 3-2-10-1-0 (16) DI = 1.67 CD = 0.44 - 9 Starts, 5 Wins, 2 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $347,080

Owner: Thoroughbred Legends Racing Stable
Breeder: Silverleaf Farms Inc.
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 9 Starts: 5 - 2 - 2, $347,080

At 5: 1st Pat O'Brien S.(G2,Dmr,7f); 3rd Bing Crosby S.(G1,Dmr,6f)

Foaled March 6, 2007
KEESEP08 $330 (Legends Racing)
Won debut at Hollywood Park, June 26, 2010, 6.5F MSW.

CAPITAL ACCOUNT b. C, 2007
Closing Argument---Acountess, by Private Account

CA is a NFB, as he has an outcross pedigree with no dupe of inbreeding.
CA was bred from an old school mating of Fair Play over Teddy.

CA has 17 crosses of NP stallions & 18 crosses NP mares.
We dont find that many tb in the present, that are bred from a NP over NP mating.
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Postby BenB » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:18 am

Louis, the official starters reports are 6.05 sts per horse per year, So I do not think this horse is obvious healthy, as the horse should have make about 30 sts at least.