Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:36 am

11 of the 12 Eclipse Award winners were NFB, Demonstrated was a type 2 FB. This shows that those NP sire lines, are still playing a major part in breeding for soundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:29 am

JUST A WAY (JPN) b. H, 2009 {2-n} DP = 4-2-8-0-0 (14) DI = 2.50 CD = 0.71 - 22 Starts, 6 Wins, 6 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: ¥595,694,000 + $3,000,000 in JPN/UAE

Owner: Akatsuki Yamatoya
Breeder: Shadai Corporation Inc.
Winnings: 22 Starts: 6 - 6 - 1, ¥595,694,000 + $3,000,000 in JPN/UAE

At 2:
2nd Niigata Nisai Stakes (JPN-G3,1600m-T)
At 3:
Won Arlington Cup (JPN-G3,1600m-T)
2nd Mainichi Okan (JPN-G2,1800m-T)
At 4:
Won Tenno Sho (Autumn) (JPN-G1,2000m-T)
2nd Mainichi Okan (JPN-G2); Epsom Cap (JPN-G3,1800m-T); Sekiya Kinen (JPN-G3,1600m-T)
3rd Nikkan Sports Sho Nakayama Kinpai (JPN-G3,2000m-T)
At 5:
Won Dubai Duty Free (UAE-G1,1800m-T); Yasuda Kinen (JPN-G1,1600m-T); Nakayama Kinen (JPN-G2,1800m-T)
2nd Japan Cup (JPN-G1,2400m-T)

Foaled March 8, 2009.
2010 JRHA Select Sale : ¥12,600,000.
Trainer : Naosuke Sugai (JPN).
Raced in Japan, United Arab Emirates and France.
2014 JRA Award for Best Older Colt or Horse.
2014 LONGINES World's Best Racehorse Rankings : Highest Rating Racehorse [130].
Entered stud in 2015 at Shadai Stallion Station, Japan.

JUST A WAY b. H, 2009
Hearts Cry---Sibyl, by Wild Again

Just a Way is a NFB, with an outcross pedigree, & no dupe of inbreeding.
Just a Way has 18 crosses Ph. stallions, not the 24--29 crosses of Ph. stallions we find in those type 1 FB, that sustained career ending injuries.

Just a Way has 13 crosses of NP stallions, that brings in soundness into this NFB mating. Congrats to JAW breeder, in creating a sound superior runner.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:23 am

Just a Way, has been racing solely on turf and the most valuable WITHOUT DRUGS and MEDICATION, as that is a deathkiss in Japan.

This one got down:

A pure LOUIS NFB : http://www.pedigreequery.com/miss+macarena4

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:39 am

Most of all the trainers today, give their tbs small amounts of med, to train & race. Those NFB dont receive the baby amounts of med, as they are tougher & soundner individuals. I had many trainers tell me, if those FB didnt receive their med, there would be no racing.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:19 am

MISS MACARENA (USA) ch. F, 2011 {9-h} DP = 0-1-9-0-0 (10) DI = 1.22 CD = 0.10 - 4 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $16,401

Owner: Love The USA Stable (first 3 starts); Christopher T. Dunn
Breeder: Patricia Calandro & Susan Georgas
State Bred: NY
Winnings: 4 Starts: 1 - 0 - 0, $16,401

Foaled March 31, 2011.
Claimed for $20k at Aqueduct by Christopher T. Dunn (trainer J. Englehart), November 26, 2014.
Euthanized after fracturing her left front sesamoids in a race at Aqueduct, January 22, 2015.

MISS MACARENA ch. F, 2011
Stonesider---Grandma Lu, by Salt Lake

Miss Macarena was bred from a Ph. over Ph. NFB mating. We have in this NFB mating is a negative 22 crosses of Ph. that could have contributed to her injury. There dosent have to be prolific crosses of Ph. inbreeding, for unsoundness to surface.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby BenB » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:29 am

Better stop racing at all, than racing overmedicated unsound horses as that is plain abuse for me, and from an ethical view

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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:33 am

Our breed is changing, I am not finding all those type 1 FB in great numbers, like i found a decade ago. I am finding those NFB with Prolific crosses of Ph. stallions. Thats why those NFB are having soundness problems.

In todays time frame, the breed has shifted from, 6--14 crosses of Ph. stallions in the past, to 22 or more crosses of Ph. stllions in the present.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:14 am

TRADING LEATHER (IRE) b. C, 2010 {25} DP = 1-3-7-3-0 (14) DI = 1.15 CD = 0.14 - 16 Starts, 4 Wins, 5 Places, 4 Shows Career Earnings: £1,363,985

Owner: 1) Mrs. J. S. Bolger 2) Godolphin
Breeder: J. S. Bolger
Winnings: 16 Starts: 4 - 5 - 4, £1,363,985

At 2:
Won Autumn S. (Eng-G3,8fT,Nmk)
At 3:
Won Irish Derby (Ire-G1,12fT,Cur), Silver S. (Ire-L,10fT,Cur)
2nd King George VI & Queen Elizabeth S. (Eng-G1,12fT,Asc), International S. (Eng-G1,10.5fT,Yor), Dante S. (Eng-G2,10fT,Yor)
3rd Irish 2000 Guineas (Ire-G1,8fT,Cur), Irish Champion S. (Ire-G1,10F,Leo)

At 4:
2nd Eclipse S. (Eng-G1,10fT,San)
3rd Irish Champion S. (Ire-G1,10fT,Leo), Jockey Club S. (Eng-G2,12fT,Nmk)

Foaled 20th March, 2010.
Bought privately by Godolphin in Nov 2013.

Euthanized after suffering a fracture while running in the Japan Cup on November 30, 2014.

TRADING LEATHER (IRE) b. C, 2010
Teofilo---Night Visit, by Sinndar

Trading Leather was a NFB being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 Danzig---4 X 5 X 5 ND.
Another NFB going down with an injury. Trading Leather had 26 crosses of Ph. stallions, this is a negative breeding pattern, that is causing widespread unsoundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:56 am

SENSO (USA) b. F, 2011 {14} DP = 5-4-8-1-0 (18) DI = 2.60 CD = 0.72 - 11 Starts, 1 Wins, 4 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $62,361

Owner: Gary Barber
Breeder: Sequel Thoroughbreds, LLC & Hidden Lake Farm, LLC
State Bred: NY
Winnings: 11 Starts: 1 - 4 - 2, $62,361

Foaled April 23, 2011.
Died training at Aqueduct on January 18, 2015. Fractured pelvis. RIP.

SENSO b. F, 2011
Noonmark---Eastern Exposure, by Southern Halo

Senso was a NFB, being inbred to 1 Ph. stallion, 4 X 5 X 5 ND.
Senso had 26 crosses Ph. stallions, a negative for unsoundness.
Senso is another NFB that inherited prolific crosses of one sire line. These prolific crosses of one sire line, are taking their toll on our NFB.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:38 am

SOLDIER INTHE RAIN (USA) dkb/br. C, 2011 {26} DP = 11-1-9-1-0 (22) DI = 3.00 CD = 1.00 - 9 Starts, 3 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $84,356

Owner: 1) Casner Racing, LP, 2) Epona Racing Stable
Breeder: Nelson E. Clemmens
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 9 Starts: 3 - 0 - 0, $84,356

Foaled May 7, 2011.
Broke down training at Belmont Park on December 31, 2014. RIP.

SOLDIER INTHE RAIN br. C, 2011
War Pass---Where Woody Bea, by Woodman

Soldier inthe Rain was a Type 2 FB, being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions, 3 X 3 Mr. P.---4 X 4 RAN---5 X 5 Native Dancer---5 X 5 Nashua.
1 Ph. mare 4 X 4 Gold Digger.

2 NP mares, 5 X 5 Raise You=Teddy---5 X 5 Sequence=Sundridge

Soldier inthe Rain had 25 crosses of Ph. stallions a high figure for unsoundness. The prolific crosses of inbreeding thru Ph. stallions & single crosses could have contributed to his injury.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:19 am

UNDER STUDY CAREER (USA) ch. F, 2011 {A4} DP = 3-5-8-0-0 (16) DI = 3.00 CD = 0.69

Owner: Al Keshisian
Breeder: Al Keshisian
State Bred: CA

Under Study Career, went over the rail, severe lacerations on shoulder & chest. Found dead in stall.

Under Study Career was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 X 5 Secretariat---4 X 5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Boldnesian.

USC had 24 crosses of Ph. stallions. This is an example of what can happen when inbreeding of one sire line is over done. Many mental problems can appear.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:00 am

ITALIAN RULES (USA) ch. H, 2005 {14-c} DP = 4-4-7-1-0 (16) DI = 2.56 CD = 0.69 - 40 Starts, 14 Wins, 8 Places, 6 Shows Career Earnings: $619,472

Owner: Battle Born Racing Stable & Southern Equine Stable LLC 2David Jacobson-
Breeder: Nick Cafarchia
State Bred: CA
Winnings: 40 Starts: 14 - 8 - 6, $619,472

At 3: Won Stinson Beach S. (GG,6f)
At 7: 2nd Tiznow S. (R,Hol,7.5f)
At 8: 2nd Cool Frenchy S. (Hol,5f)

Foaled March 19, 2005.
Pulled up and Vanned off with a career ending injury in a race at Aqueduct, January 9. 2015.
Euthanized due to the effects of his injury, January 16th.

ITALIAN RULES ch. H, 2005
Tribal Rule---Golden Harmony, by Half a Year

Italian Rules was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Nearctic. One Ph. mare 5 X 5 Natalma.

Where did this type 1 FB, inherit his soundness? His soundness was inherited from his 20 crosses of NP mares. We dont find that many crosses of NP mares in those type 1 FB that have less than 10 starts & were injured.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:50 am

LA RANCHERA (USA) ch. M, 2010 {7} DP = 3-2-11-1-1 (18) DI = 1.40 CD = 0.28 - 37 Starts, 2 Wins, 10 Places, 8 Shows Career Earnings: $53,125

Owner: Rafael Obeso to Dec. 2013; Marcial Navarro
Breeder: Rafael Obeso
State Bred: FL
Winnings: 37 Starts: 2 - 10 - 8, $53,125

Foaled April 29, 2010.
Claimed at Calder for $6,250 by Norris & Herbert Phinn (tr. Howard Mills), December 14, 2013.
Claimed at Calder for $6,250 by Yenny Marcano (tr. Nestor Cascallares), March 2, 2014.
Claimed at Gulfstream for $6,250 by own/tr. Herman Wilensky, July 24, 2014.
Died February 6, 2015, after breaking down in a race at Tampa Bay Downs.

LA RANCHERA ch. M, 2010
Burning Roma---Wirbel, by Alwuhush

La Ranchera was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Nearctic. 1 Ph. mare 5 X 5 Natalma.

Another type 1 FB with a high degree of soundness, this can be contributed to her 21 crosses of NP mares, & 14 crosses of NP stallions. When you have prolific numbers of NP stallions & mares, in your matings, you will breed a high % of sound tbs.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:41 am

LAZY LIGHTNIN (USA) dkb/br. F, 2011 {1-x} DP = 4-1-9-0-0 (14) DI = 2.11 CD = 0.64 - 2 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $2,536

Owner: Brian J. Pitnick
Breeder: Brian J. Pitnick
State Bred: CA

Foaled March 23, 2011.
Broke down training at Golden Gate Fields on February 1, 2015. RIP.

LAZY LIGHTNIN br. F, 2011
Stormin Fever---Graceful Stepper, by Phone Trick

Lazy Lightnin was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Nearctic---5 X 5 RAN.
Lazy Lightnin had 24 crosses of Ph. stallions, a high figure for unsoundness. All the inbreeding & prolific crossses of Ph. stallions, created a high risk for unsoundness.
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Re: Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

Postby louis finochio » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:39 am

BORN FIGHTING (USA) ch. C, 2008 {19-b} DP = 8-2-28-2-0 (40) DI = 1.50 CD = 0.40

Breeder: L. Neil Jones
State Bred: KY

BORN FIGHTING ch. C, 2008
Giants Causeway---Beauty and The Beast

Born Fighting was type 1 FB, being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions.
4 X 4 ND---5 X 5 Nearctic---4 X 5 Halo---5 X 5 Hail to Reason. One Ph. mare 5 X 5 X 5 Natalma.

BF had 28 crosses of Ph. stallions. BF was unraced, as his inbreeding & single crosses of Ph. were carried too far, into unsoundness.
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