Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[parlo]

.... You dont need 3 to 4 inbreedings of Ph. stallions & mares, to create a speed burner. To breed a sound fast tb, you need a balance of sire lines. Not 25--29 crosses of one sire line, that is breeding a high degree of unsoundness.

Well, then please give us a present-day example - better more of them - and not one of some 35 years ago.

As often before in this thread, you are some decades back from today, @Louis. Why do you get caught in your own traps again and again?

[BenB]

Louis, what is his legacy left in nowadays runners????.

[ElPrado]

I'll answer. Pretty much nothing, like most of his great examples.

[DDT]

Louis

This horse raced in the 70's and early part of the 80's, before you started typing horses as Non-Fashion Bred and Fashion Bred, how is he relevant to your theory? By the way, I do not think most of us would disagree that a balanced pedigree is the target unless you have a specific target in mind, but this is really not what you are talking about, is it, your belief is that the balance must be achieved by equal numbers of P and NP sires and dams, regardless of their individual racing and breeding success, you use the names not the horses, example, if Phalaris appears 9th generation tail male you consider the instant horse a speed influence without regard to the racing and breeding influences provided by 8 generations of breeding, the instant horse might actually be a stamina/soundness influence. BenB is right, you are a one liner.

DDT

[BenB]

Thanks to an specific tailor made training, you are are to "transform" the horse natural ability, but on long run this will not last.

[BenB]

.... You dont need 3 to 4 inbreedings of Ph. stallions & mares, to create a speed burner. To breed a sound fast tb, you need a balance of sire lines. Not 25--29 crosses of one sire line, that is breeding a high degree of unsoundness.

Well, then please give us a present-day example - better more of them - and not one of some 35 years ago.

As often before in this thread, you are some decades back from today, @Louis. Why do you get caught in your own traps again and again?

They do not regonize their own traps.

[ElPrado]

That's just it. There are no horses that he can shape the breeding to fit his so called theory any more. They died a natural death 30 years ago. That was about the last time his mumblings had a clue. The old sire lines died out, because, plain and simply, they did not produce sires that could compete with other lines. The other stallions just plain produced better race horses. Plus, not too many geldings won the Derby and had offspring, no matter how many times Louis tries to use them as examples from 100 years ago.

[louis finochio]

Great breeders become Great because they dont follow the crowd of Fashion. When you research those tbs, Harve de Grace & Amazombie, you will see how those breeders beat the Fashion parade.

Thats how the novice breeders would benefit, by disecting those pedigrees of our sound superior runners. Anyone can become a copy cat Fashion Breeder.

[ElPrado]

If you will notice, we again pulled a dramatic left turn out of the course, crossed the Pacific and we are now jumping around somewhere near Kamchatka. We never heard a word about those two mares until just now. He misspelled Havre de Grace, but at least he managed to get Amazombie right. He's batting .500.

[parlo]

.... Thats how the novice breeders would benefit, by ...

There are no novice breeders - it will be easy to find out an outcross-pedigree by using the ancestor-tables and indices offered for free from www.sporthorse-data.com .

... and never forget: FRANKEL is a typical "FB" according to Louis-sense and -science:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=RE9y ... el&x=0&y=0


... and DANEDREAM as well:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=danedream&x=0&y=0

[louis finochio]

Parlo: I post those decades ago tb, because the younger generation didnt get a chance to see them run. All those newbies see in the present is those FB with less than 10 starts.

I am glad i am older, as i got to see those sound NFB superior runners of the past. I have an original photo of MOW winning a $5,000 stake race. I love those old photos.

[louis finochio]

Danedream is a type 2 FB, he has prolific crosses of those NP stamina stallions & mares. Thats where he inherits his soundness. Danedream is not bred like our US type 1 FB, that are coming apart after a few starts.

[parlo]

@Louis: Loving old photos of old horses is one thing - the other is to give trustworthy advice to "newbies" - if there are concidering the hard economic situation in the US and the rest of the world.


Did you notice the pedigree-information I gave you above?

There are some additions to make:

Frankel: 34 crosses to Phalaris between 7th and 11th generation, 5.1 % bloodquota

Danedream: 22 crosses to Phalaris between 8th and 10th generation, 4.5 % bloodquota

And these champion-horses are not frail - Danedream is a nice little filly and no monster like Zenyatta.

[louis finochio]

El Prado: Those old NP sire lines didnt die out in Europe, as those Euro breeders use them in their turf races. They bring soundness, stamina & turf ability into their matings.

The US breeders have abandon those NP sire lines of stamina, as they will slow down their FB matings. John Nehrud didnt abandon those NP sire lines in his quest to breed his superior runners.

[louis finochio]

Danedream & Frankel have robust conformation, because of their prolific crosses of those NP sire line stallions & mares. Where our US FB dont have those prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares.

Those Euro breeders hold on to those NP sire line mares, they dont cull them out for having too much stamina.