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Postby Jeff » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:11 am

CAPITAL ACCOUNT C, 2007 DP = 3-2-10-1-0 (16) DI = 1.67 CD = 0.44
Horse Inbreeding Stats Crosses Lines Blood% Influence AGR
BUCKPASSER 6S x 4d 2 2 (1) (1) 7.81% 5x5 8.81%

His closest inbreeding is to Buckpasser, good old Phalaris stallion.

SELENE 8S x 8D x 7D x 8D x 8D x 8D x 8D x 8D 8 3 (3) (0) 3.52% 6x6 3.08%


First mare he's linebred to is Selene, when mated to Phalaris produced the sire line Buckpasser comes from.


The Phalaris is the blessing in this pedigree. Phalaris over Selene was a blessing that continues on.

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Postby BenB » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:38 am

Capitale Account

3,5 yr in full training, sts per yr x yrs= number from sts.

6 starts a yr times 3,5 yr= 21 starts, which should be mediocore by your standards. The ultimate proof that soundness is viable at least so to speak.

That nfb has been proven unsound by your standard.

Another nfb:

Street life NFB retired after 8 whole starts.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/street+life4

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ers-injury
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:17 pm

Those NFB like CA will work their way back into training & racing. As they have no intense inbreeding to one sire line. Those FB will not consistently come back after being injured, as their strength of bone is not a strong, as those NFB.
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Postby louis finochio » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:27 pm

Street Life had a soft tissue injury to his left front leg. Let's follow SL, & see if he returns to training.
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Postby BenB » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:36 pm

Yeh Louis, give them an container full of shots, and the vet brings them back to the track.

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Postby diomed » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:41 pm

louis finochio wrote:Street Life had a soft tissue injury to his left front leg. Let's follow SL, & see if he returns to training.

He won't, he's RETIRED. :roll:

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Postby louis finochio » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:02 am

Those shots, havent helped those FB return to racing. Those vets agree with me, that all this inbreeding to one sire line has turned our tb into, a fragile bag of bones.
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Postby louis finochio » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:41 am

RAJJAAS (USA) b. C, 2004 DP = 9-3-10-0-0 (22) DI = 3.40 CD = 0.95 - 1 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $28,200

State Bred: KY
Winnings: 1 Starts: 1 - 0 - 0, $28,200

RAJJAAS b. C, 2004
Elusive Quality---Ridaa, by Seattle Slew

R was injured after his 1st. start
R was a type 1 FB, being inbred 3 X 5 Mr. P.---4 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Hail to Reason

R had 26 crosses Ph. stallions & 18 crosses Ph mares, both high figures.
R had a duplication of the same Ph. stallions & mares, that appear in those other FB that sustained career ending injuries, they our:

Native Dancer, Nashua, Bold Ruler 2 crosses, Nearctic, Hail to Reason 2 crosses, ND 2 crosses, Mr. P. 2 crosses, Boldnesian, Secretariat, RAN, Bold Reasoning, Gold Digger, Natalma.
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Postby BenB » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:44 am

Louis, new medicatications rules which are very strict in US racing, are implmented in Kentucky. Iam very interested to see, how this impact will be on stats, and foremost which states are following suit.

Trainers now need to adapt these rules, or gooiing out of state.

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/racing ... keeneland/

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nation ... ction.aspx

Dr R Arthur, Louis a name you should known by now Louis.

Over use from bute can cause bone marrowing and can cause bleeding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylbutazone.

So likewise the last eight yrs, rule out all the race day med,s in conjunction with therapeutic medications, and give horses time off when they are off

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Postby louis finochio » Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:28 am

Tbs that have a nervous temperment, become a high risk for bleeding. Those tbs cannot stand the stress of training & racing. Bleeders have an inherited weakness, that was passed on to them by their parentage.

When breeders inbred to those stallions that breed a high % of bleeders, their progeny will become bleeders & passon the same to the next generation.
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Postby BenB » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:13 am

You are an incredible one liner, and seemingly knows nothing about racehorses. and the effect from medications on horses. How should you???

Reading only pedigrees,
There are some bloodlines that carry on this weakness, but that is thrown under the carpet by using lasix and other stuff.

So the gov from Kentucky has done a good job, and the chrb contineous that move.

At least some people with brains, in the game.

I,ll bet your are an member from one of the benovolence groups, that are supporting actions against the sharper medication rules.

This nfb is on offer, unplaced.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/time+to+trick+em

No inbreeding at all within the first five generations, she SHOULD MAKE a HUNDRED STARTS or more instead of dooiing nothing, according your thesis.

I have joint the clean racehorse group, let nature decide, which horse is capable of making the starting gate and not the vet.

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Postby louis finochio » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:28 am

JACKSON BEND (USA) ch. C, 2007 DP = 9-4-5-0-0 (18) DI = 6.20 CD = 1.22 - 28 Starts, 9 Wins, 6 Places, 4 Shows Career Earnings: $1,613,450

Owner: Robert LaPenta,Jacks or Better Farm, Inc.
Breeder: Jacks or Better Farm Inc.
State Bred: FL
Winnings: 28 Starts: 9 - 6 - 4, $1,613,450

At 2:
Won In Reality S. (Crc,8½F), Frank Gomez S. (Crc,6F), Affirmed S. (Crc,7F), Dr. Fager S. (Crc,6F)
At 3:
2nd Wood Memorial (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F), Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)
3rd Preakness S. (G1,9.5F)

At 4:
Won Forego S. (G1,7F), James Marvin S. (Sar,7F)
2nd Kelso H. (G2,8F), Skip Away S. (G3,9.5F)
3rd Breeders' Cup Sprint (G1,CD,6F), Memorial Day H. (Crc,8.5F)

At 5:
Won Carter H. (G1,Aqu,7F), Hal's Hope S. (G3,GP,8F)
3rd Gulfstream Park H. (G2,8F)

Family 9g, Foaled February 11, 2007.

JACKSON BEND ch. C, 2007
Hear No Evil---Sexy Stockings, by Tabasco Cat

JB is a NFB with an outcross pedigree, with no dupe of inbreeding.
JB has outlasted his foal crop, as he is bred from outcross parentage, that has given him his soundness.

Nick Zito, JB trainer said he has never trained a tb so tough & sound. Congrats to JB breeder Jacks or Better Farm in breeding a sound superior runner.
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Postby BenB » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:23 am

Louis, go back to the tail female line. You will see an exceptional inbreeding
2x2 Godolphin Arabian and 2x2 the same foundation mare.

So please kidding somebody else

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Postby louis finochio » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:35 am

EMCEE (USA) dkb/br. C, 2008 DP = 7-8-7-0-2 (24) DI = 3.36 CD = 0.75 - 7 Starts, 4 Wins, 0 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $479,900

Owner: Godolphin Racing
Breeder: Darley
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 4 - 0 - 2, $479,900

At 4: Won Forego S. (G1,Sar,7f); 3rd Alfred G. Vanderbilt H. (G1,Sar,6f), Tom Fool H. (G3,Aqu,6f)

Foaled March 27, 2008.
Won debut September 14, 2011 at Belmont, 6f MSW.

EMCEE br. C, 2008
Unbridleds Song---Surf Club, by Ocean Crest

E is a NFB with an outcross pedigree, & no dupe of inbreeding
E has 20 crosses NP mares & 14 crosses NP stallions

E is another NFB that has worked his way back into training & racing, after only a few lifetime starts. E prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares, have made this posible.
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Postby louis finochio » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:40 am

Where did you post the pedigree?
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