Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[Sam]

bangs head on desk

[BJ]

The following TB that were injured and had to be put down have a pattern of inbreeding that could have caused their soundness problems.

Simply Because---------5 X 5 Nasrullah----------10 crosses of Phalaris
NOTHING CLOSER THAN 8TH Generation...total 6x6
ALSO 6X6 TEDDY and 4X5 ROUND TABLE

Blazing Sunset----------4 X 5 Northern Dancer---10 crosses of Phalaris
NOTHING CLOSER THAN 8TH Generation...total 6x6

Star over the Bay------5 X 5 Nasrullah-----5 X 5 Turn-to-----7 crosses Ph.

Tizlater----------------2 X 4 Seattle Slew----5 X 5 Northern Dancer--8 Ph.

Gallant Secret-----------No Duplication-------------10 crosses Phalaris

Prime Honor-------------5 X 5 Buckpasser---4 X 5 Fleet Nasrullah--9 Ph.

Ginforthewin------------4 X 4 Northern Dancer---5 X 5 Nasrullah---6 Ph.

Playful Blint-------------3 X 3 Northern Dancer---4X5X5 Native Dancer 9 Ph.

Esroh--------------------5 X 5 Nasrullah--------------5 crosses Phalaris

Bonus Pack-------------4 X 5 Native Dancer--------6 crosses Phalaris

New Joysey Jeff--------4 X 5 Olympia---------------6 crosses Phalaris

Sheriff Jordan----------4 X 4 Bold Ruler--5X5X5 Nasrullah---7 crosses Ph.

Go Bye Bye------------4 X 4 Boldnesian-------------7 crosses Phalaris

Its Who you Know-----5 X 5 Northern Dancer------8 crosses Phalaris
NOTHING CLOSER THAN 8TH Generation...total 6x6

To be continued.

LOUIS...

HERE IS A CLUE TO SOME OF THIS...

Per the Brisnet reports, 3 of the first 13 horses that broke down were trained by Doug O'Neill. (Blazing Sunset, Simply Because & It's Who You Know) I hear he has TONS of Phalaris in his breeding

There were several horses dropping in class, with OBVIOUS "for sale signs" in the breakdowns.

I rest my case.

IMO, UNSOUND trainers and the Del Mar track are the "most likely" causes of these Del Mar breakdowns. I wouldn't run a horse there this meet. The turf course at Del Mar looks like crap, IMO. All but a couple of the trainers of the first 14 that broke down, would be on my personal DON'T USE list.

[Tucumcari]

LOUIS...

HERE IS A CLUE TO SOME OF THIS...

Per the Brisnet reports, 3 of the first 13 horses that broke down were trained by Doug O'Neill. (Blazing Sunset, Simply Because & It's Who You Know) I hear he has TONS of Phalaris in his breeding

There were several horses dropping in class, with OBVIOUS "for sale signs" in the breakdowns.

I rest my case.

IMO, UNSOUND trainers and the Del Mar track are the "most likely" causes of these Del Mar breakdowns. I wouldn't run a horse there this meet. The turf course at Del Mar looks like crap, IMO. All but a couple of the trainers of the first 14 that broke down, would be on my personal DON'T USE list.[/quote]

O neil, S(k)napp, Mitchell stand out...
I bet if we did have the stats on the DNF's and trainer there would be a shocking (to very few of us who work and play in s cal) trend.
Here's a scenario...
Boss says,"I want you to work this horse 3/4."
Exercise rider," boss, this horse is no good."
Boss,"It's feet sting him a bit. He had some bute. He'll feel better today."
ER goes to the track on the horse, tells the outrider , "I'll see you at the 1/8th pole." Works the horse, working good, so against better judgement asks the horse to finish. SNAP... was it Phalaris...? Nope. Rider knew, trainer knew, everyone who watched the horse train knew. Was it genetics... NOPE!!!
And I know that as I was that exercise rider. I have no excuse other than I was young, and needed th job. I'm not in that situation anymore, and in fact that was the last time I murdered a horse.
Louis, you are barking up the wrong tree. You go to the track in the morning often, and you see the horses train and the sore ones going around living on borrowed time. You can't for a second blame that on one genetic factor decades ago... It's just silly.

[Sysonby]

Per the Brisnet reports, 3 of the first 13 horses that broke down were trained by Doug O'Neill. (Blazing Sunset, Simply Because & It's Who You Know) I hear he has TONS of Phalaris in his breeding

Actually make that two. Simply Because was trained by David Hofmans.

[BJ]

Per the Brisnet reports, 3 of the first 13 horses that broke down were trained by Doug O'Neill. (Blazing Sunset, Simply Because & It's Who You Know) I hear he has TONS of Phalaris in his breeding

Actually make that two. Simply Because was trained by David Hofmans.

Then I should get my money back from Brisnet on that report

[Tucumcari]

And that horse broke down right in front of me, and she was sore long before the bone ever gave out. Damn Phalaris.

[Sysonby]

But there are no easy arguments to be made about the trainers either. The breakdowns have hit many different barns at Del Mar:

Playful Blint--Steve Knapp
Esroh--Paul Aguirre
Bonus Pack--Bill Spawr
New Joysey Jeff--Mark Glatt
Sheriff Jordan--Richard Mandella
Go Bye Bye--Sal Gonzalez
It's Who You Know--Doug O'Neill
Simply Because--David Hofmans
Ugotadowhatugotado--Bob Hess Jr
Geronimo--Eric Guillot
Kedington--Rafael Becerra
Ojai Summer--Lewis Cenicola
Yessirmychickadee--Tim Yakteem
Blazing Sunset--Doug O'Neill
Thinking Broadway--Patrick Gallagher
Chobigmoe--Mike Puype
Early Ronan--Gary Stute

I notice that Baffert's not on that list.

[BJ]

But there are no easy arguments to be made about the trainers either. The breakdowns have hit many different barns at Del Mar:

Playful Blint--Steve Knapp
Esroh--Paul Aguirre
Bonus Pack--Bill Spawr
New Joysey Jeff--Mark Glatt
Sheriff Jordan--Richard Mandella
Go Bye Bye--Sal Gonzalez
It's Who You Know--Doug O'Neill
Simply Because--David Hofmans
Ugotadowhatugotado--Bob Hess Jr
Geronimo--Eric Guillot
Kedington--Rafael Becerra
Ojai Summer--Lewis Cenicola
Yessirmychickadee--Tim Yakteem
Blazing Sunset--Doug O'Neill
Thinking Broadway--Patrick Gallagher
Chobigmoe--Mike Puype
Early Ronan--Gary Stute

I notice that Baffert's not on that list.

Isn't New Joysey Jeff the horse that was showing signs of "getting out" in two races prior to his breakdown? If so, I'd opine, the trainer, the track Vet and the Stewards are to blame MOST for that one.

[Diane]

Funny Cide has 15 crosses to Phalaris in 9 generations. How would he fit into your theory? Maybe while you are researching you could keep a list of those like him who are durable professional racehorses. Respectfully, D

[Diane]

Funny Cide has 15 crosses to Phalaris in 9 generations. How would he fit into your theory? Maybe while you are researching you could keep a list of those like him who are durable professional racehorses. Respectfully, D

[griff]

Louis

You state that 90% of the TB popupation in the US is now Phalens.

Can you name any winning rorses that have no Phalens lines?

griff

[louis finochio]

Griff: Holly Bull is Phalaris free------Quiet American 2 crosses-----Pleasant Tap 4 crosses------Dynaformer 3 crosses------Successful Appeal 3 crosses.

[Sysonby]

Louis, Holy Bull is not Phalaris free--he just doesn't trace back to him tail male.

He also broke down in his last start.

[louis finochio]

Bluegrass Cat---3X4 Secretariat---3X4 North. Dancer---5X5 Native Dancer---5X5 Buckpasser------------------------------------10 crosses Ph.

Motivator---5X5X5 Native Dancer---5X5 Mixed Marriage mare=Gainsborough------------------------------------------11 crosses Ph.

Shamardal---4X5 Halo----5X5 Hail to Reason---5X5 Natalma mare=Ph.
------------------------------------------------------------------14 crosses Ph.

Ugotaowhatugotado-----5X5 Native Dancer-----------------8 crosses Ph.

Geronimo------------No Dupe---------------------------------6 crosses Ph.

Kedington------------4X4 Never Bend-----5X5 Round Table=Prince Rose
------------------------------------------------------------------6 crosses Ph.

Ojai Summer--------3X5 North. Dancer---4X5 Nantallah---9 crosses Ph.

Thinking Broadway---3X4 Nijinsky---4X4 Raise a Native---9 crosses Ph.

Early Ronan--------3 X4 North. Dancer-----------------------7 crosses Ph.

Chobigmoe---------4X5 Hail to Reason-----------------------9 crosses Ph.

To be continued.

[Tucumcari]

[
Playful Blint--Steve Knapp
Esroh--Paul Aguirre
Bonus Pack--Bill Spawr
New Joysey Jeff--Mark Glatt
Sheriff Jordan--Richard Mandella
Go Bye Bye--Sal Gonzalez
It's Who You Know--Doug O'Neill
Simply Because--David Hofmans
Ugotadowhatugotado--Bob Hess Jr
Geronimo--Eric Guillot
Kedington--Rafael Becerra
Ojai Summer--Lewis Cenicola
Yessirmychickadee--Tim Yakteem
Blazing Sunset--Doug O'Neill
Thinking Broadway--Patrick Gallagher
Chobigmoe--Mike Puype
Early Ronan--Gary Stute

I notice that Baffert's not on that list.[/quote]

Isn't New Joysey Jeff the horse that was showing signs of "getting out" in two races prior to his breakdown? If so, I'd opine, the trainer, the track Vet and the Stewards are to blame MOST for that one.[/quote]

-New JJ was showing signs of "something" bugging him late in his races.
-The Hess horse was taking a significant drop in class. Some thing like $50,000 to 16 or 12,500.
-The Mandella horse was actually I believe the son not richard.
-Most of these horses are lower to mid level claimers. With more than 8 starts this year. In several different barns. MAy of which push the envelope. Do more thorough research..