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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:01 am 
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More and much more handpicked names, which are useless, without mentioning the track conditions, the medications used, the local enviroment etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:50 am 
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This thread is about inbreeding to one sire line. Years ago when those NP sire lines were dominant, our tb were a sound lot. When those NP sire lines went recessive, our tb lost their soundness.

Our tb of the present need their med to train & race on. No med, no soundness, from those FB, & NFB, with prolific crosses of those NP sire lines.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:41 am 
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GOLD MEDAL DANCER (USA) b. M, 2010 {22-c} DP = 9-6-13-6-0 (34) DI = 1.72 CD = 0.53 - 16 Starts, 7 Wins, 4 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $529,269

Owner: Pin Oak Stable
Breeder: Pin Oak Stud LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 16 Starts: 7 - 4 - 1, $529,269

At 3:
2nd Remington Oaks (RP,8.5f), Zia Park Oaks (ZIA,85f)
At 4:
Won Minnesota HBPA Distaff S. (CBY,8fx)
2nd Lady Canterbury S. (CBY,8fx)

At 5:
Won Azeri S. (G2,OP,8.5f)
3rd Bayakoa S. (G3,OP,8.5f)

GOLD MEDAL DANCER b. M, 2010
Medaglia Doro---Bachata, by Kingmambo

Gold Medal Dancer is a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 ND---4 X 5 RAN. 1 NP mare 5 X 5 Special,by Forli=Hyperion.

Special is found in prolific numbers of GR SW. Her NP influence of soundness & class are responsible for many superior runners.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:51 am 
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Deputy Minister is a key to soundness. His progeny were tough & sound, that breeders should breed into their matings. DM dam, started 70 plus times.

DM was bred from an old school mating, with prolific crosses of those NP sire line stallions & mares. DM passed on his class & soundness to his stallions & mares.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:55 am 
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RISK THE MOON (USA) b. G, 2011 {3-l} DP = 7-5-18-0-0 (30) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.63 - 4 Starts, M Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $467

State Bred: NY
Winnings: 4 Starts: M - 0 - 0, $467

Foaled: April 23, 2011.
Sadly, broke down during race 5 @ Aqueduct 3/12/2015 & was euthanized on track. RIP

RISK THE MOON b. G, 2011
Malibu Moon---Risky Agenda, by Dynaformer

Risk the Moon was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions, 3 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 X 5 Buckpasser---5 X 5 Nashua---4 X 5 RAN. One Ph. mare 4 X 5 Gold Digger.
RTM had 26 crosses PH. stallions, a high figure for unsoundness. Another type 1 FB mating, that follows suit of the same inbreeding patterns of tb, to the same Ph. stallions & mares.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:08 am 
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OFFLEE WILD (USA) blk/br. H, 2000 {4-r} DP = 12-5-16-0-1 (34) DI = 2.78 CD = 0.79 - 19 Starts, 6 Wins, 3 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $976,325

Owner: Celikoglu Tevfik
Breeder: Dorothy A. Matz
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 19 Starts: 6 - 3 - 2, $976,325

At 3: 1st Holy Bull S.(G3,GP); 3rd Blue Grass S.(G1,Kee); 4th Fountain of Youth (G1,GP)
At 4: 1st Massachusetts H.(G2,Suf)
At 5: 1st Suburban H.(G1,Bel), Excelsior BC H.(G3,Aqu); 2nd John B. Campbell BC H.(Lrl).

Foaled: April 5, 2000.
2006: Stands at Darley KY;
2012: standing at Pin Oak Lane Farm PA (fee $4,000).
2015: standing in TurkeyTJK
U.S. Champion Freshman Sire 2009

OFFLEE WILD br. H, 2000
Wild Again---Alvear, by Seattle Slew

Oflee Wild is a NFB stallion, being inbred to 1 Ph. stallion 4 X 5 Nearco.
1 crossof inbreeding 4 X 5 Hyperion = Gainsborough NP outcross.

OW has 17 crosses of NP stallions, a positive for soundness. OW is a breeders dream, that offers prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares, for breeders seeking an outcross.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:13 am 
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ONLY JOSIE KNOWS (USA) dkb/br. M, 2010 {2-o} DP = 4-6-17-1-0 (28) DI = 1.95 CD = 0.46 - 21 Starts, 3 Wins, 4 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $140,854

Owner: Phil Daniels & Josie Goldberg
Breeder: Terry C. Lovingier
State Bred: CA
Winnings: 21 Starts: 3 - 4 - 1, $140,854


Broke her maiden in her 5th career start on May, 18, 2013 at Hollywood Park.

Photo Credit: David Morant([email protected])

Sadly Broke Down and had to be Euthanized in Race 7 at Santa Anita on 29Mar2015. RIP

ONLY JOSIE KNOWS b. M, 2010
Rio Verde---Dinner Bell, by Alydeed

Only Josie Knows was a type 2 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 3 X 5 ND---4 X 4 Never Bend---5 X 5 Nasrullah. One NP mare 5 X 5 Lalun=Tourbillon.

These type 2 FB matings are averaging more lifetime starts. As their inbreeding to those NP stallions or mares, are the catalyst of soundness.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:36 am 
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This is a nice big inbred:


http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedig ... ID=1443262

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:45 am 
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Dortmund is a type 2 FB, & has a balance of inbreeding to Ph. & NP stallions & mares. Dortmund inherits his hybrid vigor thur his balance of sire lines. Dortmund has a classic Triple Crown Pedigree, good luck in the TC races.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:46 am 
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PRECOCIOUS KITTY (USA) dkb/br. F, 2011 {3-g} DP = 2-0-4-0-0 (6) DI = 2.00 CD = 0.67 - 7 Starts, 1 Wins, 0 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $25,309

Owner: Robert L. Persons & Earl C. Sandersen, Jr. LLC
Breeder: Beaufort Farm LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 7 Starts: 1 - 0 - 2, $25,309

Foaled April 15, 2011
Sadly, broke down during race 8 @ Delta Downs 12/3/2014 & was euthanized on track. RIP

PRECOCIOUS KITTY br. F. 2011
Afleet Alex---French Kitty, by Tale of the Cat

PK was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 RAN. One Ph. mare 5 X 5 Gold Digger.

PK inherited 26 crosses of Ph. stallion. Those 26 crosses of Ph. stallions & intense inbreeding to all Ph. individuals, makes this a high risk FB mating of unsoundness.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:18 am 
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CONQUEST TWO STEP (USA) dkb/br. C, 2011 {2-b} DP = 7-1-6-0-0 (14) DI = 3.67 CD = 1.07 - 11 Starts, 3 Wins, 5 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $339,408

Owner: Conquest Stables LLC
Breeder: Manuel Andrade
State Bred: FL
Winnings: 11 Starts: 3 - 5 - 2, $339,408

At 2: 2nd Colin S. (WO,6f)
At 3: 2nd Malibu S. (G1,SA,7f); 3rd El Cajon S. (Dmr,8f)
At 4: Won Palos Verdes S. (G2,SA,6f); 3rd San Carlos S. (G2,SA,7f)

Foaled March 5, 2011.
Broke maiden in debut June 21, 2013 at Churchill Downs, 5 1/2F, 1:03:63.
Euthanized after fracturing his hind leg during training, April 6, 2015.

CONQUEST TWO STEP br. C, 2011
Two Step Salsa---Homesteader, by Pioneering

CTS was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 5 Ph. stallions, 3 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 Buckpasser---5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Native Dancer---4 X 5 RAN. One Ph. mars 4 X 5 Gold Digger.

CTS inherited 28 crosses of Ph. stallions, a high risk for unsoundness. We are seeing the same Ph. inbreeding, to the same individuals, again that are creating widespread unsoundness.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:50 am 
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MR. GIOVANNA (USA) dkb/br. G, 2011 {4-d} DP = 6-2-10-0-0 (18) DI = 2.60 CD = 0.78 - 10 Starts, 0 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $8,562

Owner: GPS Family Stable
Breeder: Joseph B. King
State Bred: PA

Foaled March 5, 2011.
Broke down & was euthanized in a $10k Claimer at Parx Racing on April 6, 2015. RIP.

MR. GIOVANNA br. G, 2011
Twisted Mister---Giovanna Gold, by Petionville

Mr. Giovanna was a type 2 FB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 Mr. P.---5 X 5 X 5 RAN. One Ph. mare, 5 X 5 Gold Digger.
One NP mare 5 X 5 Broadway=Teddy.

Mr. Giovanna inherited prolific crosses of Ph. mares & stallions, that could have caused his injury. We are seeing the same negative of unsoundness, being inbred to the same foundation Ph. stallions & mares.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:56 am 
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How about this one:

A cross between 2 full brothers 2x3:

RED ROCKS (IRE) dkb/br. H, 2003 {A29} DP = 9-0-11-4-0 (24) DI = 1.53 CD = 0.58 - 24 Starts, 6 Wins, 4 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: £1,623,003


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:56 am 
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Red Rocks is a type 2 FB, his 4 X 5 inbreeding to the NP mare Special=Hyperion, brings soundness into this mating.
Those type 1 FB matings, that have become injured, dont have any NP inbreeding, thru those NP stallions & mares.

Red Rocks has prolific crosses of NP mares in his background, they are a positive for soundness.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 7:32 am 
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American Pharoah is a NFB, being inbred to 1 Ph. stallion, 5 X 5 ND. This is a big advantage. As are previous TC winners had prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares. Our FB of the present dont have those prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares, thats why its been so long between TC winners. Good Luck in the TC series.

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