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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:41 am 
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These matings of Ph. over Fair Play, are breeding many superior runners. These tb are tough, & are standing the rigors of traing & racing. Many of these matings, are from Bertrando, Cees Tizzy, Put it Back, Successful Appeal.

I always read the racing charts, there have been a rash of these matings lately.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:34 pm 
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WONDERFELLA (USA) b. C, 2011 {5-j} DP = 10-5-7-0-0 (22) DI = 5.29 CD = 1.14 - 11 Starts, 3 Wins, 2 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $115,110

Owner: New Farm
Breeder: Mr. & Mrs. Charles McGinnes
State Bred: MD
Winnings: 11 Starts: 3 - 2 - 3, $115,110

Foaled February 14, 2011.
Sadly, broke down during race 4 at Laurel Park on February 14, 2015 & was euthanized on track. RIP

WONDERFELLA b. C, 2011
Harlan's Holiday---Carleaville, by Carson City

Wonderfella was a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 RAN---5 X 5 Hail to Reason.
Another NFB with 27 crosses of Ph. stallions, a high figure for unsoundness. 20 years ago I didnt find a NFB with 27 crosses of Ph. stalions. As the 95 % of our breed traces to Phalaris, foaled in 1913.
Thats why we cant breed sound tbs in the present, like we did years ago.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:10 am 
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We are not seeing a high degree of FB matings in the present, like I did when I started this thread. Those FB matings, were all inbreeding to Ph. stallions & mares.

They looked liked this, 4 X 5 Native Dancer---5 X 5 Bold Ruler---4 X 5 RAN---4 X 5 Mr. Prospector---5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Natalma mare.

Is our breed changing, are the breeders breeding for soundness ? Only time will tell, which road the breeders will take.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:51 am 
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DANZIG MOON (CAN) b. C, 2012 {5-f} DP = 13-9-18-0-0 (40) DI = 3.44 CD = 0.88 - 8 Starts, 1 Wins, 2 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $311,120

Owner: John C. Oxley
Breeder: William D. Graham
State Bred: ON
Winnings: 8 Starts: 1 - 2 - 0, $311,120

At 3: 2nd Blue Grass S. (G1,Kee,9f)

Foaled March 24, 2012.
KeeSep'13 $160K.
Finished fifth in the 2015 Kentucky Derby and Sixth in the Preakness Stakes.
Euthanized after breaking his right hind leg during the Plate Trail Stakes at Woodbine, June 14, 2015.

DANZIG MOON (CAN) b. C, 2012---2015
Malibu Moon---Leaveminthedust, by Danzig

Danzig Moon was a type 2 FB being inbred to, 5 Ph. stallions. 3 X 3 Mr. P.---4 X 4 RAN---5 X 5 X 5 Native Dancer---5 X 5 bold Ruler---5 X 5 Nashua, 1 Ph. mare 4 X 4 Gold Digger.

Two NP mares, 5 X 5 Squence=Sundridge, 5 X 5 Raise You=Teddy.
Danzig Moon had 25 crosses Ph. stallions, a high figure for unsoundness.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:32 am 
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My good friend, the late HOF trainer, Charlie Whittingham always told me. you cant dance every dance. Am. Pharoah was an example of this. You cant tell how much was taken out of Am. Pharoah in his last race, until he ran in the Travers.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:49 am 
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ROCK FALL (USA) dkb/br. C, 2011 {15-a} DP = 7-7-9-1-0 (24) DI = 3.36 CD = 0.83 - 8 Starts, 7 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: $749,180

Owner: Stonestreet Stables LLC
Breeder: SF Bloodstock LLC
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 8 Starts: 7 - 0 - 0, $749,180

At 4: Won Alfred G. Vanderbilt H. (G1,Sar,6f), Vosburgh S. (G1,Bel,6f), True North S. (G2,Bel,6f)

Foaled March 19, 2011.
Euthanized after breaking down during a workout at Keeneland, October 10, 2015.

ROCK FALL br. C, 2011
Speightown---Renda, by Medaglia D' Oro

Rock Fall was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 4 Ph. stallions. 3 X 5 Mr. P.---4 X 5 Secretariat---5 X 5 ND---5 X 5 Bold Ruler.
Rock Fall had 28 crosses of Ph. stallions, out of a possible 31.

We are seeing the same inbreeding patterns, to the same Ph. stallions, that are producing widespread unsoundness. Many of the progeny from these matings have single digit starts.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:01 pm 
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My good friend Bob Baffert, went to the 5 generation pedigree, of American Pharoah, he was looking for class in AP background. Bob missed, what i found.

More on this class angle, tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:00 am 
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American Pharoah has prolific numbers of. superior producing mares in his 5 generation pedigree. This is what i was looking for, they are to follow in my next posts.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:07 am 
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TOUSSAUD (USA) b. F, 1989 {6-d} DP = 13-5-16-0-0 (34) DI = 3.25 CD = 0.91 - 15 Starts, 7 Wins, 4 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $552,751

Owner: Juddmonte Farms
Breeder: Juddmonte Farms
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 15 Starts: 7 - 4 - 2, $552,751

Van Geest Criterion S. (ENG-G3), American H. (USA-G2), Gamely H. (USA-G1), Wilshire H. (USA-G2), Autumn Days H. (USA)

Foaled May 6, 1989.
Broodmare of the Year, 2002.
Dam of G1 winners Empire Maker, Chester House, Honest Lady and Chiselling, and G2 winner Decarchy. What makes her record all the more remarkable is the fact that her five Graded winners are by five different stallions.
Pensioned from broodmare duties in December 2007 due to laminitis.
Euthanized due to declining health, January 5, 2009.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:11 am 
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KILLALOE (USA) b. M, 1970 {16-a} DP = 6-19-8-3-0 (36) DI = 4.14 CD = 0.78 - 32 Starts, 4 Wins, 9 Places, 7 Shows Career Earnings: $67,065

Breeder: John A. Nerud
State Bred: FL
Winnings: 32 Starts: 4 - 9 - 7, $67,065

Fappiano's dam. She also produce 11 foals,9 runners,9 winners and 5 black type. Her pedigree contains 9 lines of Barcaldine

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:21 am 
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SEX APPEAL (USA) ch. M, 1970 {8-f} DP = 3-4-33-4-0 (44) DI = 1.15 CD = 0.14 Career Earnings: Unraced

Breeder: Mrs. Frank Forsyth
State Bred: KY

Dam of: EL Gran Senor $502,819; Champion 2-year-old twice in England and Ireland, Champion 3-year-old in England, champion miler in England. General Accident Two Thousand Guineas-G1. Among leading sires in England and Ireland.
Try My Best: Champion 2-year-old twice in England and Ireland, champion miler in Ireland. Leading sire twice in Italy. Died in 1993

To Continue.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:20 am 
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SOUTH OCEAN (CAN) b. F, 1967 {4-j} DP = 2-0-6-0-2 (10) DI = 1.00 CD = 0.00 - 22 Starts, 4 Wins, 8 Places, 5 Shows Career Earnings: $70,147

Breeder: E. P. Taylor
Winnings: 22 Starts: 4 - 8 - 5, $70,147

Won Yearling Sales Stakes ($10,000), Canadian Oaks ($30,000); 2nd Princess Elizabeth Stakes ($15,000); 3rd Natalma Stakes ($15,000), Mazarine Stakes ($10,00), My Dear Stakes ($10,000).

Reine de Course. Dam of Storm Bird. Died 1989.

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KEY BRIDGE (USA) b. M, 1959 {2-n} DP = 0-10-22-13-1 (46) DI = 0.84 CD = -0.11 Career Earnings: Unraced

Breeder: Paul Mellon
State Bred: VA

1980 Kentucky Broodmare of the Year

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CRIMSON SAINT (USA) ch. M, 1969 {8-c} DP = 9-5-4-0-0 (18) DI = 8.00 CD = 1.28 - 11 Starts, 7 Wins, 0 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $91,770

Owner: while racing: M/M Roger S. Braugh / in retirement: Tom Gentry & Olin Gentry
Breeder: Dr. William W. Lockridge
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 11 Starts: 7 - 0 - 2, $91,770

Age 2: Won Ballerina Stks. (at Oaklawn Park, 44.80 seconds, equaling the world record for 4 furlongs); Age 3: Won Meteor Hcp. (Hollywood Park, 56.40 seconds, 5 furlongs); 3rd: Hollywood Railbird Stks., Bing Crosby Hcp; 4th: Princess Stks.; 5th: Lakes & Flowers Hcp.; Age 4: Won Meteor Hcp. (56.00 seconds, new track record at Hollywood Park for 5 furlongs), Hollywood Express Hcp. G3 (1:02.40 seconds for 5 1/2 furlongs).

Dam of Terlingua (the dam of Storm Cat), Pancho Villa, and Royal Academy. Euthanized May 12, 2001

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PROCNE (USA) b. F, 1969 {22} DP = 11-4-3-0-0 (18) DI = 11.00 CD = 1.44 - 35 Starts, 6 Wins, 8 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $52,545

Breeder: B J Ridder
State Bred: CA
Winnings: 35 Starts: 6 - 8 - 1, $52,545

My Fair Lady S

Foaled Apr 9, 1969
1979 California Broodmare of the Year

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