Opinions Please! Need Help distinguishing pedigree!

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:44 am

I got a mare a few months ago, Robbins Apple out of Robb(WV) I have always had aqha horses, don't know much about tbs.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/robbins+apple going to breed her, not sure if I should go TB or AQHA> I posted a ? on the tb stud, Virtual G on another topic. As I'm not much into racing I will most likely be selling the foal. Comments, :shock:

helpful hints?

madelyn · Postby **madelyn** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:37 am

First, in TB's, we refer to a horse as being "by" its sire, and "out of" its dam, in deference to the actual natural acts in breeding...

Regarding Robbin's Apple, in my opinion, I don't see much commercial appeal in her pedigree for race breeding. On the other hand, hers is a VERY regional line, so someone more familiar with those lines would probably be much more help.

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:10 am

Sorry I'm not on the "up and up" on speak. She was given to me. A friend of mine was at the track the last day she ran, apparently she had a bone chip in her right front knee for sometime and no one noticed or cared to remove it and it had started to calcify, nonetheless her knee blew out on the track and they were going to euthanize her when my friend said she'd take her. She can be ridden lightly although i haven't gotten that far, planning on breeding her, confirmation wise she is built very well. I'm more into aqha lines and dont' know much on tb pedigrees, that's why i asked if anyone knew anything about her pedigree.

Bill from WA · Postby **Bill from WA** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:22 am

As Madalyn pointed out, this is a very regional pedigree, but this mare was competitive on the track locally (in the money in 5 out of 6 starts), and is a half sibling to stakes placed Virginia Glide. Her dam, granddam, and great granddam were hard knocking blue collar runners who were familiar with the winners circle. The female family has produced many solid regional runners (some in my part of the country), and as a breed-to-race type I think she may have potential. She traces to the unraced conduit mare, Felicity (12 foals, 10 raced, 7 winners, including Arc Light mentioned below). Her descendants include Preakness and Belmont Stakes winner, Capot (2nd in the Kentucky Derby), Travers Stakes winner, Sporting Blood (2nd in the Belmont Stakes), and Grand National Steeplechase winner Arc Light (there are several very good hurdlers in this family). All in all, for a regional breeding program I have seen a lot worse.

Bill

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:48 am

Thank you for the info. I really appreciate it. She's got really good confirmation, I think she'll throw some nice foals, I'd like to breed her to a tb, the only one somewhat local to us is virtual g, who raced himself. It's a pity what happened to her, but she's a really calm mannered horse and a pleasure to have around so i'm glad i got her.

Bill from WA · Postby **Bill from WA** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:41 am

Hi

Virtual G matches up pretty well as far as pedigree goes, but he is unproven as a stallion. With a maiden mare, you are usually better off going to a proven commodity. You might consider Tekken at Lojeski Farms in Emmaus, PA who has sired a few promising runners early on.
Good luck,

Bill

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:49 am

Thanks you've been a big help!!!

Like I said before I'm not exactly in the know as far as tbs go, I've predominantly always worked with aqha horses.

helen in FL · Postby **helen in FL** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:59 pm

If there was one thing I would do with this mare is breed her for a performance foal especially if she has nice conformation. She's got all the right names in the right places and my eyes popped out of my head when I saw Best Turn in third and this mare's a 2002. It's almost never seen outside of closely kept broodmares who are used for racing foals alone.
I would have loved to pick up this mare as well, lucky you got her!

geowarrior · Postby **geowarrior** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:24 pm

Helen, just to expand the discussion, if Robinsapple was going to breed for a performance horse, what stallion would you be thinking of for that purpose?

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:06 am

Yes who would you breed her to? I've got a couple aqha studs i was looking at to get an appedix,( I run barrels) one is a grandson of the investor, and was also thinking of going tb. We've got xanthus farms(i think i spelled that right) who own duckhorn, virtual g (chery roll) and couple others for tb choices.

helen in FL · Postby **helen in FL** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:33 am

Well darn, once you open up the AI scene you get a world of options! I'm trying to remember what hunter stallions of the AQHA cross well with the thoroughbred mares.... I have an Artful Move mare but you have to be careful as bred to the wrong mare they can have suspension issues and no "lope" but mine is a grave exception to the rule!
I've liked Skys Blue Boy as well as a few of AM's sons. But stay far away from Rugged Lark. For Thoroughbred stallions I like my own boy Dantrick, Fun and Fancy Free, Aaron's Gold, Classic Copper, Sea Accounts and I would have to look for others. If you want to look at some warmblood stallions there is the lovely Lotus T, the amazing Zarr, Shine, Redwine, Apiro (drool), Escapade or even better his sire Escudo II, VanGogh B, then there is the immortal Popeye K but you need a REALLY refined mare to breed to him.
I think that gives you a well rounded dish of stallions. The best TBs in the country, dutch wb, trakehner, holsteiner, hanoverian, bavarian wb, I would have to get back to you on the QH sires though.

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:46 pm

Well after some net searching I have found Rubiyat, foxtale) Freon Flier
Godstone Farm and Harley Quinn(unproven yet,first foals on ground this year) so..... Looking at Rubiyat. Comments Questions?

cj55 · Postby **cj55** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:40 pm

Hi can someone tell me what "very regional pedigree" means? Thanks! :?:

robbinsapple · Postby **robbinsapple** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:14 am

cj i think it means that the horses in my mares pedigree are all in a certain region, they're not widespread over the states?

Pedigree Ann · Postby **Pedigree Ann** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:46 am

Yes, in each breeding region outside of Kentucky you will find stallions who have sired good runners but who haven't made headlines outside of the region. Louisiana breeders are quite familiar with the virtues of Leestown and Zarbayev as sires, but would you be? A runner by Unusual Heat or Swiss Yodeler would get more respect in California than in New York. If you have looked at pedigrees for a few decades, you can tell where a horse was bred just by looking at the sires on the damline.