gainsborough solario hyperion

[Elles]

Can these be considered horses with stamina, middle distance horses or speedy horses?

[Matchemforever]

I think the answer is, "yes."

I have to depend on TB Heritage which does not go into much detail on Solario:

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Bay ... insborough

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Hyperion.html

http://www.pedigreequery.com/solario


I think that down through time, the classic ability can be lost- and when I say classic, I mean something over 1-1/4 miles.*

Solario is interesting for bringing Hampton back on the dam's side.

That Bayardo was such a success early, then came back after injury to win at distance, is interesting.

*I think the idea of calling a mile a "classic" distance comes from not having any horses that can run further, so just change the definition to fit the circumstances. At this rate, a horse that can run a half-mile will eventually become a "classic" distance horse. I mean, what is the point of a Thoroughbred that runs at close to Quarter Horse distances?

[Elles]

Do you mean that the Gainsborough line down through time has become more of a speed line?

[Elles]

Solario sired this wonderful horse: http://www.pedigreequery.com/dastur

http://www.dosage.com.au/keysirespedigrees.asp
Dastur is also mentioned here:
http://www.bonecrusher.co.nz/pedigreeanalysis.php
http://www.freemanstallions.co.za/dupont/evaluation.htm
http://www.i-announce.net/IAN/load.phtm ... eeAnalysis

Solario can be found in the pedigree of:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/royal+charger
And this horse was inbred to Solario:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/cougar2

Solario seems to have been a real stayer:
http://www.horseracinghistory.co.uk/hrh ... ent?id=851
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_Cup
But if we look at Tudor Melody, a very fast horse, we find Hyperion and Solario up close in the pedigree:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/tudor+melody
Granddam of Tudor Melody:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/fairly+hot

And then there is the very speedy Abernant, grandson of Hyperion and inbred to Bay Ronald:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/abernant

[Elles]

I was just looking up these horses in the book "Sire lines" by Abram S. Hewitt. I just read the following about Solario:

A good many years ago, Day (Reg Day, the trainer) told the writer (Mr. Hewitt) that he had some doubts concerning Solario's speed but not his stamina. To resolve these doubts, he put the best five furlong sprinters he had in the last part of Solario's gallop before the St. Leger. To his astonishment, Solario went right away from his sprinters.

The St. Leger itself was anticlimatic. Solario won easily enough, and Manna pulled up lame after the race. Picaroon finished fourth, but he later won the Champion stakes of ten furlongs, beating Pharos.

[vineyridge]

I don't think that speed and stamina necessarily come from different lines. It is very possible to have a good speed horse who lacks stamina and can't go farther; and it is possible to have a plodder who will outlast his competition, but a great horse will have the speed to beat a speed horse and the stamina to beat a plodder, and the ability to save his speed until it's asked for.

That seems to be what the English mean by "a turn of foot", and most of their distance races are run for horses who can turn on the afterburners at the end of a race.

[Elles]

So this line of horses (Gainsborough, Hyperion, Solario) can be considered a line that "can do it all"?

[Elles]

This horse:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/rubiton
Has Solario twice on his sire’s side:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/century2
And Hyperion three times on his dam’s side:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/ruby
In Seventh Hussar there is also Dastur:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/seventh+hussar
In Better Boy there is Bayardo again:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/better+boy

[vineyridge]

In the US Solario is most famous through his daughter Sun Princess, the dam of Royal Charger. Royal Charger was the sire of Turn-To and several other very competent racers--Hail to Reason, for one--, and is also one of the identified best lines for sport horses.

See Hand In Glove, for instance.

We've just about lost the Gainsborough sire lines over here. PITA, too.

[Elles]

http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/Bayardo.html
He was a great favorite with the racing public, for both his brilliant speed and his ability to carry it classic distances and beyond.

How come this (sire) line is no longer big in America?