What is the optimum average number of unique individuals in a 9 generation pedigree. Do you want a 50%, 60% or higher number or do you want a 45% or lower as an indication that the horse has a really concentrated breeding pattern.
I really do not know if there is a correct answer. Looking for thoughts and insights. Bill from WA might be able to shed some light on the matter.
Fewest number of unique horses in 9 generation pedigree
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Bill from WA
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Hi
I don't believe there is an optimum number, or percentage, that one should seek in a breeding exersize. My own approach is to look at the entire pedigree (from the conduit mare forward), and try to determine how the individual parts relate to each other, and I always have a specific type of runner in mind (sprinter, router, grass, or dirt). I definitely try to match the runner with venues in which they will be competing. If I am seeking a sprinter, I look for concentrations of individuals that historically have produced runners capable of winning in that aptitudinal range (and use the conduit profiles to assist me in establishing an optimum racing distance). The same applies to the other aptitudes. Breeding to sell, as opposed to breeding to race yourself, creates an entirely different approach, although one can still use the same basic principles. With a specific goal in mind, the numbers will automatically fall into place. Functional conformation match ups should always be taken into consideration as part of the process.
Bill
I don't believe there is an optimum number, or percentage, that one should seek in a breeding exersize. My own approach is to look at the entire pedigree (from the conduit mare forward), and try to determine how the individual parts relate to each other, and I always have a specific type of runner in mind (sprinter, router, grass, or dirt). I definitely try to match the runner with venues in which they will be competing. If I am seeking a sprinter, I look for concentrations of individuals that historically have produced runners capable of winning in that aptitudinal range (and use the conduit profiles to assist me in establishing an optimum racing distance). The same applies to the other aptitudes. Breeding to sell, as opposed to breeding to race yourself, creates an entirely different approach, although one can still use the same basic principles. With a specific goal in mind, the numbers will automatically fall into place. Functional conformation match ups should always be taken into consideration as part of the process.
Bill
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Thanks so much for the reply Bill. I am taking Sonora's Moon to Devil His Due this year and I noticed what for me was an unusually low number of unique individuals in the 9th generation (42%). I cannot remember seeing a number this low.
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xfactor fan
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http://www.pedigreequery.com/high+time
Don't know if this one is good or bad, but he sure doesn't have a outcross pedigree.
By Ultimus who is by a son of Domino out of a daughter of Domino, out of another daughter of Domino.
Don't know if this one is good or bad, but he sure doesn't have a outcross pedigree.
By Ultimus who is by a son of Domino out of a daughter of Domino, out of another daughter of Domino.
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Bill from WA
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Hi xfactorfan
High Time only won one race (out of 7 starts), and placed in the Great American Stakes. He was a renowned speed sire in his day, and the leading sire in America in 1928. He was also the leading sire of two-year-olds in 1927. He sired 289 foals, and 37 stakes winners. 164 of his foals (57%) won as two-year-olds. He died in 1937.
Probably one of the most inbred sires of the 20th century.
Bill
High Time only won one race (out of 7 starts), and placed in the Great American Stakes. He was a renowned speed sire in his day, and the leading sire in America in 1928. He was also the leading sire of two-year-olds in 1927. He sired 289 foals, and 37 stakes winners. 164 of his foals (57%) won as two-year-olds. He died in 1937.
Probably one of the most inbred sires of the 20th century.
Bill
Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is like a broken winged bird that cannot fly.
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I looked at his picture and ol' High Time looks more like a QH than many of AQHA registered horses today!
High Time is found in the pedigree of the great AQHA foundation sires, Joe Reed II and his son, Leo, both great broodmare sires BTW, through Fleeting Time TB. In fact, both Joe Reed II and Leo looked a lot like High Time.
High Time is found in the pedigree of the great AQHA foundation sires, Joe Reed II and his son, Leo, both great broodmare sires BTW, through Fleeting Time TB. In fact, both Joe Reed II and Leo looked a lot like High Time.