Cardiovascular capacity and racetrack performance
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Cardiovascular capacity and racetrack performance
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For some time now, cardiovascular evaluation of thoroughbreds using echocardiography has been one way to evaluate the performance potential of an unraced thoroughbred. Much of the work on this relationship was initially done many years ago by Dr. Norm Rantanen, Dr. David Lambert and Jeff Seder (his peer reviewed paper is linked here) in America, while Dr. Lesley Young in the United Kingdom has also done a lot of work in this field (her papers are here, here and here).
Echocardiography has emerged to become a standard diagnostic procedure in equine cardiology. Development of M-mode echocardiography in the mid-1970s and introduction of 2D real-time echocardiography in the 1980s allowed evaluation of internal cardiac structure, size and function in horses.This is a completely different process to the use of electrocardiography, and the generation of Heart Scores (HS), which is what Steele and Stewart used in the 1960's and 70's and what Marianna Haun erroneously pinned her "X-Factor" research on. We could go on quite extensively here about how the "X-Factor" is a complete waste of time, but it will suffice to say that there have been papers (here and here) that have shown that electrocardiographic Heart Scores which the "X-Factor" was built on has no relationship to V02Max and racetrack performance in thoroughbreds The X-Factor was a great story but that is all it was.
It is a different story for echocardiography however. Cardiovascular parameters measured by echocardiography have been of interest to exercise physiologists due to the relationship between the capacity of the cardio to deliver oxygenated blood to the muscle. The theory to prove was that a strong relationship exists between cardiac dimensions and peak oxygen uptake (V02Max) in thoroughbreds with the latter being a measure of performance (that is horses with high peak Vo2Max scores are as a group better racehorses with higher earnings than those with lower peak Vo2 Max scores). Back in 1999 there was a good paper authored by Dr Bayley of Washington State University that looked at the relationship between Vo2Max and echocardiographic measurements, while in 2002, Lesley Young and others published a paper with similar findings, that is, V02Max had a strong correlation to echocardiographic measurements of left ventricular size. Both of these studies were performed on mature horses.
A few years later in 2006, Dr. David Evans also authored some very interesting papers (here and here) with others looking at the relationship between velocity at maximal heart rate (VHRMax) and performance. Evans' studies were based on the concepts above - running ability of thoroughbred racehorses is correlated with Vo2Max, and the velocity at Vo2Max is highly correlated to velocity at maximal heart rate (VHRMax), thus VHRMax, which can be very easily measured using a heart rate monitor with a GPS on a horse in work, is a good measure of both fitness and performance potential of a thoroughbred. Evans found that not only was VHRMax highly correlated to general fitness of the horse, but more importantly horses with higher VHRMax earned significantly more dollars per race start (r=0.41).
While Evans' studies established the link between V02Max and VHRMax, and the papers by Young and Bayley established the relationship between Vo2Max and cardiovascular parameters, there were a couple of gaps in published research to bring this 'full circle'. Firstly, there wasn't a study that tied the relationship between echocardiographic measurements and VHRMax and secondly all the studies on Vo2Max and VHRMax had (rightly) been done on mature horses and thus had limited value in prediction of performance when looking at young horses. The missing link as far as those using cardio measurements on young horses to predict performance was establishing the relationship between young, untested horses and subsequent VHRMax/Vo2Max when those horses in training.
This week in the Journal of Equine Veterinary Sciencea paper was published that helps close that gap. The paper, authored by Drs Gur and Matur, outlines the relationship between the VHRmax of a horse at 28 months of age, and cardiovascular measurements taken at 4, 8,12,16,20 and 24 months.*Now there are a couple of caveats on the study here that need to be addressed. Firstly, the VHRMax was evaluated by using the software program within E-Trakka, the device used to measure heart rate and velocity. While Andrew Stewart at E-Trakka has done a sterling job creating a great product (it can now gather accelerometer data which is really interesting), as far as I am aware, the E-Trakka formula for creating the VHRMax is not the same as that developed by Evans, et al (Evans helped create E-Trakka and among other things I understand that the VHRMax calculation used by E-Trakka was a point of disagreement between Evans and Stewart), and E-Trakka has not published under peer-review its method of measuring VHRMax within its software so we are not 100% sure that the VHRMax generated by E-Trakka is indeed the actual VHRMax of the horse. Secondly, the sample size was rather small (21 horses).That said, with those caveats aside, the paper had some very interesting finds.
1) Left Ventricular internal diameter in diastole (LVDd) measured was inversely related to VHRMax at 28 months. Thus horses with low LVDd values as yearlings would have high VHRMax values at 28 months of age. This was a rather surprising finding in some ways as Young (2002) had found that LVDd had significant correlation with maximal oxygen uptake(VO2Max) in mature horses. This lack of agreement could point to the rapid growth that a young foal goes through and the changes that the cardio undergoes during training making LVDd a poor predictor as a young horse but a good one for measuring older horses in training.
2) Left Ventricular Mass (LVM) was very lowly correlated to VHRMax at 28 months and in some months inversely correlated. This finding is in agreement with Young (2005) who found that LV Mass was not correlated to race performance in 2yo horses (a similar time measurement of 28 months). Young (2002 and 2005) did find that LV Mass was correlated to performance when measured as older horses so again maturity and training response may have an influence here.
3) Ejection Fraction (EF%) and Fractional Shortening (FS%) values tended to be positively correlated to VHRMax at 28 months, but only those measurements that took place after 12 months of age. The r-squared values for EF% and FS% were particularly high (r=0.45) at age 20 months indicating that those scores used at two year old in training sales might be the most effective. This is in agreement with Young (2005) who found that EF% was correlated to performance as an older horse in both sprint and longer distance races, but not in agreement with Seder (2003) who found no relationship between FS% and performance.
4) Anomalies in the data seemed to occur around the age of 16 months. This is slightly different to Seder (2003) who found that these anomalies tended to be found at 20 months but the explanation for this can be found in the fact that in this study the horses were broken-in and started training in September right at the time that most of the horses would be 16 months of age, where the group in Seder's study would most likely have been sold as yearlings at the same time and not been broken in until closer to 20 months of age, thus initial response to training may have had an effect as may age related growth (puberty).
This latest paper shows that at differing ages various measures of the heart are moderately correlated to performance. It is also interesting to note that the direct morphologic measurements (LVDd and LVM) had either a negative or very low correlation to VHRMax at age 28 months, but that the functional cardiac features with indices such as FS% and EF%, were more highly correlated. You will notice that we used the term "moderately correlated". In general the positive correlations that were found in this paper fell in the range of 0.26 and 0.49 which is considered "weak", but not "low" in statistical terms. As an example, at 16 months the FS% saw an r2=0.402. This means that the FS% explained about 40% of the VHRMax at 28 months. This is a decent figure, but it still means that 60% of the VHRMax at 28 months was explained by other factors such as blood volume (the spleen, which is another thing we have talked about measures of), mitochondrial activity, lactate buffering, other genetic influences, etc.
These finding are somewhat in keeping with thegreat cardio study done by Rikke Buhl et al on Standardbreds. Dr Buhl and his colleagues measured 103 standardbreds over two years starting at 20 months of age, prior to any training and finishing at 3.5 years of age. They found that in standardbreds, as Young found in thoroughbreds, there was significant changes in the cardio in response to training. Some horses were high responders to training, others were not, but that in general, horses that were trained had significant cardiovascular changes than those that were not trained. Buhl found that training intensity was highly correlated to LVDd (which may further explain the anomalies mentioned in point 1 above) with standardbreds that were trained more intensely having greater LVDd changes. They also found that both LV Mass and LVDd was positively correlated to performance which Young found in older thoroughbreds, but differs to Gur and Matur who found negative correlations in younger horses of 1-24 months. Again this looks to be age and response to training related.
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For some time now, cardiovascular evaluation of thoroughbreds using echocardiography has been one way to evaluate the performance potential of an unraced thoroughbred. Much of the work on this relationship was initially done many years ago by Dr. Norm Rantanen, Dr. David Lambert and Jeff Seder (his peer reviewed paper is linked here) in America, while Dr. Lesley Young in the United Kingdom has also done a lot of work in this field (her papers are here, here and here).
Echocardiography has emerged to become a standard diagnostic procedure in equine cardiology. Development of M-mode echocardiography in the mid-1970s and introduction of 2D real-time echocardiography in the 1980s allowed evaluation of internal cardiac structure, size and function in horses.This is a completely different process to the use of electrocardiography, and the generation of Heart Scores (HS), which is what Steele and Stewart used in the 1960's and 70's and what Marianna Haun erroneously pinned her "X-Factor" research on. We could go on quite extensively here about how the "X-Factor" is a complete waste of time, but it will suffice to say that there have been papers (here and here) that have shown that electrocardiographic Heart Scores which the "X-Factor" was built on has no relationship to V02Max and racetrack performance in thoroughbreds The X-Factor was a great story but that is all it was.
It is a different story for echocardiography however. Cardiovascular parameters measured by echocardiography have been of interest to exercise physiologists due to the relationship between the capacity of the cardio to deliver oxygenated blood to the muscle. The theory to prove was that a strong relationship exists between cardiac dimensions and peak oxygen uptake (V02Max) in thoroughbreds with the latter being a measure of performance (that is horses with high peak Vo2Max scores are as a group better racehorses with higher earnings than those with lower peak Vo2 Max scores). Back in 1999 there was a good paper authored by Dr Bayley of Washington State University that looked at the relationship between Vo2Max and echocardiographic measurements, while in 2002, Lesley Young and others published a paper with similar findings, that is, V02Max had a strong correlation to echocardiographic measurements of left ventricular size. Both of these studies were performed on mature horses.
A few years later in 2006, Dr. David Evans also authored some very interesting papers (here and here) with others looking at the relationship between velocity at maximal heart rate (VHRMax) and performance. Evans' studies were based on the concepts above - running ability of thoroughbred racehorses is correlated with Vo2Max, and the velocity at Vo2Max is highly correlated to velocity at maximal heart rate (VHRMax), thus VHRMax, which can be very easily measured using a heart rate monitor with a GPS on a horse in work, is a good measure of both fitness and performance potential of a thoroughbred. Evans found that not only was VHRMax highly correlated to general fitness of the horse, but more importantly horses with higher VHRMax earned significantly more dollars per race start (r=0.41).
While Evans' studies established the link between V02Max and VHRMax, and the papers by Young and Bayley established the relationship between Vo2Max and cardiovascular parameters, there were a couple of gaps in published research to bring this 'full circle'. Firstly, there wasn't a study that tied the relationship between echocardiographic measurements and VHRMax and secondly all the studies on Vo2Max and VHRMax had (rightly) been done on mature horses and thus had limited value in prediction of performance when looking at young horses. The missing link as far as those using cardio measurements on young horses to predict performance was establishing the relationship between young, untested horses and subsequent VHRMax/Vo2Max when those horses in training.
This week in the Journal of Equine Veterinary Sciencea paper was published that helps close that gap. The paper, authored by Drs Gur and Matur, outlines the relationship between the VHRmax of a horse at 28 months of age, and cardiovascular measurements taken at 4, 8,12,16,20 and 24 months.*Now there are a couple of caveats on the study here that need to be addressed. Firstly, the VHRMax was evaluated by using the software program within E-Trakka, the device used to measure heart rate and velocity. While Andrew Stewart at E-Trakka has done a sterling job creating a great product (it can now gather accelerometer data which is really interesting), as far as I am aware, the E-Trakka formula for creating the VHRMax is not the same as that developed by Evans, et al (Evans helped create E-Trakka and among other things I understand that the VHRMax calculation used by E-Trakka was a point of disagreement between Evans and Stewart), and E-Trakka has not published under peer-review its method of measuring VHRMax within its software so we are not 100% sure that the VHRMax generated by E-Trakka is indeed the actual VHRMax of the horse. Secondly, the sample size was rather small (21 horses).That said, with those caveats aside, the paper had some very interesting finds.
1) Left Ventricular internal diameter in diastole (LVDd) measured was inversely related to VHRMax at 28 months. Thus horses with low LVDd values as yearlings would have high VHRMax values at 28 months of age. This was a rather surprising finding in some ways as Young (2002) had found that LVDd had significant correlation with maximal oxygen uptake(VO2Max) in mature horses. This lack of agreement could point to the rapid growth that a young foal goes through and the changes that the cardio undergoes during training making LVDd a poor predictor as a young horse but a good one for measuring older horses in training.
2) Left Ventricular Mass (LVM) was very lowly correlated to VHRMax at 28 months and in some months inversely correlated. This finding is in agreement with Young (2005) who found that LV Mass was not correlated to race performance in 2yo horses (a similar time measurement of 28 months). Young (2002 and 2005) did find that LV Mass was correlated to performance when measured as older horses so again maturity and training response may have an influence here.
3) Ejection Fraction (EF%) and Fractional Shortening (FS%) values tended to be positively correlated to VHRMax at 28 months, but only those measurements that took place after 12 months of age. The r-squared values for EF% and FS% were particularly high (r=0.45) at age 20 months indicating that those scores used at two year old in training sales might be the most effective. This is in agreement with Young (2005) who found that EF% was correlated to performance as an older horse in both sprint and longer distance races, but not in agreement with Seder (2003) who found no relationship between FS% and performance.
4) Anomalies in the data seemed to occur around the age of 16 months. This is slightly different to Seder (2003) who found that these anomalies tended to be found at 20 months but the explanation for this can be found in the fact that in this study the horses were broken-in and started training in September right at the time that most of the horses would be 16 months of age, where the group in Seder's study would most likely have been sold as yearlings at the same time and not been broken in until closer to 20 months of age, thus initial response to training may have had an effect as may age related growth (puberty).
This latest paper shows that at differing ages various measures of the heart are moderately correlated to performance. It is also interesting to note that the direct morphologic measurements (LVDd and LVM) had either a negative or very low correlation to VHRMax at age 28 months, but that the functional cardiac features with indices such as FS% and EF%, were more highly correlated. You will notice that we used the term "moderately correlated". In general the positive correlations that were found in this paper fell in the range of 0.26 and 0.49 which is considered "weak", but not "low" in statistical terms. As an example, at 16 months the FS% saw an r2=0.402. This means that the FS% explained about 40% of the VHRMax at 28 months. This is a decent figure, but it still means that 60% of the VHRMax at 28 months was explained by other factors such as blood volume (the spleen, which is another thing we have talked about measures of), mitochondrial activity, lactate buffering, other genetic influences, etc.
These finding are somewhat in keeping with thegreat cardio study done by Rikke Buhl et al on Standardbreds. Dr Buhl and his colleagues measured 103 standardbreds over two years starting at 20 months of age, prior to any training and finishing at 3.5 years of age. They found that in standardbreds, as Young found in thoroughbreds, there was significant changes in the cardio in response to training. Some horses were high responders to training, others were not, but that in general, horses that were trained had significant cardiovascular changes than those that were not trained. Buhl found that training intensity was highly correlated to LVDd (which may further explain the anomalies mentioned in point 1 above) with standardbreds that were trained more intensely having greater LVDd changes. They also found that both LV Mass and LVDd was positively correlated to performance which Young found in older thoroughbreds, but differs to Gur and Matur who found negative correlations in younger horses of 1-24 months. Again this looks to be age and response to training related.
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louis finochio wrote:The more you inbreed, the higher the risk for cardio problems. Those outcross matings have fewer cardio problems.
That is complete and utter rubbish. You need to inform yourself before making such unsubstantiated and unscientific claims.
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brogers wrote:louis finochio wrote:The more you inbreed, the higher the risk for cardio problems. Those outcross matings have fewer cardio problems.
That is complete and utter rubbish. You need to inform yourself before making such unsubstantiated and unscientific claims.
He does it all the time yet others get in trouble for pointing that out. Be careful what you say to Louis.
Thanks for the information here BTW. I enjoyed reading that.
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You continue to interject your opinions as to inbreeding, however, you also continue to demonstrate that you do not read or understand the posts you are responding to. In this case the post concerns heart size as it relates to performance, not cardio problems. The other day on another thread you stated that unlike Eight Belles, Horse of the Year Havre de Grace has an outcross pedigree, but you were looking at the pedigree of Harve de Grace. Champion and Horse of the Year Havre de Grace is inbred 3X5 to Mr. Prospector and 4X5 to Northern Dancer. Your postings are fantasy or incorrect and the majority of time they are both.
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You continue to interject your opinions as to inbreeding, however, you also continue to demonstrate that you do not read or understand the posts you are responding to. In this case the post concerns heart size as it relates to performance, not cardio problems. The other day on another thread you stated that unlike Eight Belles, Horse of the Year Havre de Grace has an outcross pedigree, but you were looking at the pedigree of Harve de Grace. Champion and Horse of the Year Havre de Grace is inbred 3X5 to Mr. Prospector and 4X5 to Northern Dancer. Your postings are fantasy or incorrect and the majority of time they are both.
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louis finochio wrote:In my lifetime of researching pedigrees, I have seen prolific numbers of Inbred tbs have more cardio problems, than those tbs of outcross orgin.
I post what i have seen in my search of inbreeding. I do not post fantasy.
I would say that what you post is COMPLETE FANTASY.
FACT - Unless you are sequencing the DNA of all the horses that you are talking about then you have ZERO way of actually knowing how inbred a horse actually is. Two full brothers on average share 50% of their DNA, but the real figure could theoretically range from 0-100%, depending on whether they inherited the same or the different chromosome from each parent. Furthermore, a horse can, on paper, look to be highly inbred, but in terms of what it has actually inherited and its DNA structure, be not intensely inbred at all. You can make all the claims that you like on paper, but unless you are sequencing the horse it means ZERO in terms of actually how inbred a horse is.
FACT - It isn’t possible to link injuries to horses to inbreeding, or to conclusively say that inbreeding is damaging the breed. There is NO PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE whatsoever to make this claim. There is also no evidence that horses that are more inbred in genetic terms have differing cardiovascular morphologies and/or suffer from cardiovascular pathologies.
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You write in your post, "E-Trakka has not published under peer-review its method of measuring VHRMax within its software so we are not 100% sure that the VHRMax generated by E-Trakka is indeed the actual VHRMax of the horse. Secondly, the sample size was relatively small (21)."
Considering the small sample size and the method used to measure VHRMax has not been verified as accurate what should that tell us about your findings?
Considering the small sample size and the method used to measure VHRMax has not been verified as accurate what should that tell us about your findings?
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- Unless you are sequencing the DNA of all the horses that you are talking about then you have ZERO way of actually knowing how inbred a horse actually is. Two full brothers on average share 50% of their DNA, but the real figure could theoretically range from 0-100%, depending on whether they inherited the same or the different chromosome from each parent. Furthermore, a horse can, on paper, look to be highly inbred, but in terms of what it has actually inherited and its DNA structure, be not intensely inbred at all. You can make all the claims that you like on paper, but unless you are sequencing the horse it means ZERO in terms of actually how inbred a horse is.
Would that not mean that in addition to the DNA sequence of a particular horse, you would need the DNA sequence of several generations of that horse's ancestors to make a valid analysis? That being impossible, in a practical sense, how many generations back would be reliable?
- Unless you are sequencing the DNA of all the horses that you are talking about then you have ZERO way of actually knowing how inbred a horse actually is. Two full brothers on average share 50% of their DNA, but the real figure could theoretically range from 0-100%, depending on whether they inherited the same or the different chromosome from each parent. Furthermore, a horse can, on paper, look to be highly inbred, but in terms of what it has actually inherited and its DNA structure, be not intensely inbred at all. You can make all the claims that you like on paper, but unless you are sequencing the horse it means ZERO in terms of actually how inbred a horse is.
Would that not mean that in addition to the DNA sequence of a particular horse, you would need the DNA sequence of several generations of that horse's ancestors to make a valid analysis? That being impossible, in a practical sense, how many generations back would be reliable?
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hpkingjr wrote:Would that not mean that in addition to the DNA sequence of a particular horse, you would need the DNA sequence of several generations of that horse's ancestors to make a valid analysis? That being impossible, in a practical sense, how many generations back would be reliable?
Since it's now relatively simple, if not inexpensive, to determine whether an individual is heterozygous or homozygous at thousands of markers across the genome, why would it be necessary to have the DNA sequences of several generations of ancestors?
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Please point me to an article or explain about the DNA markers (DNA Markers for Dummies). Would you still not need the info on parents, etc.? Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks
Please point me to an article or explain about the DNA markers (DNA Markers for Dummies). Would you still not need the info on parents, etc.? Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks
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