Pedigree of today's Hambletonian winner

Understanding pedigrees, inbreeding, dosage, etc.

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Postby vineyridge » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:37 am

According to one of the websites cited here, another one of the horses tested was "a close relative" of Twilight.

I'm certain she must be a full TB of known pedigree becauseshe was said to have been chosen because of her close inbreeding, so they would need to know the pedigree. Otherwise how would they know for sure if she had any close relatives?
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Postby Sylvie Hebert » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:47 pm

Thoroughbreds and Standarbreds are very closely related.As a matter of fact if you dig far in their pedigrees standarbreds and standarbreds are apples from the same "tree",just different branches.I got this from wikipedia.


In the 17th century, the first trotting races were held in the Americas, usually in fields on horses under saddle. However, by the mid-18th century, trotting races were held on official courses, with the horses in harness. Breeds that have contributed foundation stock to the Standardbred breed included the Narragansett Pacer and the Canadian Pacer, Thoroughbreds, Norfolk Trotter, the Hackney, and the Morgan. Breeders selected bloodlines that would produce the fastest horses, with one of the most notable sires being the gray Thoroughbred stallion Messenger, who was exported to the United States in 1788. Messenger was bred to race on flat but, like many of the early Thoroughbreds, had Norfolk Roadster blood in his pedigree. He was mated to many Thoroughbred mares, and it was soon found that he had the ability to produce good trotting horses. Messenger's descendant, the legendary Hambletonian 10, also known as Rysdyk's Hambletonian, was born in 1849. He was sold, his owners thinking he was worthless, but later became one of the most prolific sires of Standardbreds, today with nearly every trotter or pacer tracing its lineage back to him. He had sired 1,335 offspring between 1851 and 1875. Another influential sire was the Thoroughbred "Diomed", born in 1777. When the sport started to gain popularity, more selective breeding to produce the faster harness trotter.

So the moderator is right this is a thoroughbred discussion
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Postby Pan Zareta » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:21 pm

vineyridge wrote:According to one of the websites cited here, another one of the horses tested was "a close relative" of Twilight.

I'm certain she must be a full TB of known pedigree becauseshe was said to have been chosen because of her close inbreeding, so they would need to know the pedigree. Otherwise how would they know for sure if she had any close relatives?


Twilight and Bravo were both bred at Cornell. Their pedigrees are undoubtedly known to the staff there. There is no doubt that they are TBs. The only question is whether they are registered TBs or not. If so, they are not registered under the names "Twilight" and "Bravo".

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Postby ElPrado » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:28 pm

Shetlands are not little trotters like standardbreds. You are thinking of Hackney ponies. The show Shetland has Hackney blood in an attempt to refine it. The original Shetland was a galloper.

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Postby Jorge » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:06 pm

TWILIGHT's phenotype looks somehow roanish to me.
It would be great if her pedigree could be obtained.