The truth about Mr. P.
Mr. Prospector http://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+prospector
Let's look at the sire line of Mr. P- one, two, three, four; Unbreakable, a son of Sickle. Sickle is a son of Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Selene. Let's look at the dam's sire line of Mr. P-one, two, three four: Nearco- a son of Pharos; a son of Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Scapa Flow.
The nick that made the modern day thoroughbred what it is today; Phalaris over daughter's of Chaucer daughters Scapa Flow and Selene.
All the family 13 through Myrtlewood doesn't hold water. Mr. P nicks well with Seattle Slew for one reason and one reason only. Let's look at Seattle Slew's sire Boldnesian and what do we find? one, two, three four; Pharos, son of Phalaris out of a Chaucer mare, and let's look at Boldnesian's dam line; one, two , three four: Sickle son of Phalaris out of a Chaucer mare. Breeding like to like, that's what has worked very well in the modern thoroughbred population.
They write books about it that are titled: Keep It Simple Stupid. I'd be happy to help any of you with a mating advice.
Jeff
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Let's look at another modern descendant of this Phalaris over daughter's of Chaucer nick.
Halo: http://www.pedigreequery.com/halo: one, two, three four five Pharos; son of Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Scapa Flow. Dam line one, two, three Pharmand by Phalaris out of the Chaucer daughter Selene.
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Northern Dancer: http://www.pedigreequery.com/northern+dancer
one, two, three Pharos by Phalaris out of the Chaucer daughter Scapa Flow. Dam Line: one, two three, four; Unbreakable by Sickle; by Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Selene. Keep mixing and matching these sons of Phalaris and daughter's of Chaucer and they keep churning out the winners and stakes winners.
Halo: http://www.pedigreequery.com/halo: one, two, three four five Pharos; son of Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Scapa Flow. Dam line one, two, three Pharmand by Phalaris out of the Chaucer daughter Selene.
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Northern Dancer: http://www.pedigreequery.com/northern+dancer
one, two, three Pharos by Phalaris out of the Chaucer daughter Scapa Flow. Dam Line: one, two three, four; Unbreakable by Sickle; by Phalaris out of the Chaucer mare Selene. Keep mixing and matching these sons of Phalaris and daughter's of Chaucer and they keep churning out the winners and stakes winners.
The same with Fairway: http://www.pedigreequery.com/court+martial and Colorado: http://www.pedigreequery.com/discipliner
Good observation. I know the Quarter horse people also value Teddy.
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truehoncho
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hi,
I find this very interesting, I am particularly fond of MrP and only buy broodmares from his sire line in order to cover them with the cheaper commercial ND sire line stallions. Am I on the right track?
Further I very much like Machiavellian duplicated in the pedigree, for instance a Shamardal sire over a Medicean mare. This brings in numerous lines of Almahmoud. Is this a good thing?
(I am in the UK)
I find this very interesting, I am particularly fond of MrP and only buy broodmares from his sire line in order to cover them with the cheaper commercial ND sire line stallions. Am I on the right track?
Further I very much like Machiavellian duplicated in the pedigree, for instance a Shamardal sire over a Medicean mare. This brings in numerous lines of Almahmoud. Is this a good thing?
(I am in the UK)
I was just reading this:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showt ... -For-Sport
The greatest influence in percentage of blood in Halo's pedigree is: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=704390
Please do not forget about all of these:
http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/chef ... grees_(t-z).htm
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showt ... -For-Sport
The greatest influence in percentage of blood in Halo's pedigree is: http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=704390
Please do not forget about all of these:
http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/chef ... grees_(t-z).htm
truehoncho wrote:hi,
I find this very interesting, I am particularly fond of MrP and only buy broodmares from his sire line in order to cover them with the cheaper commercial ND sire line stallions. Am I on the right track?
Further I very much like Machiavellian duplicated in the pedigree, for instance a Shamardal sire over a Medicean mare. This brings in numerous lines of Almahmoud. Is this a good thing?
(I am in the UK)
welcome aboard truehoncho. I don't think you can go far astray with your ideas, particularly working the UK circuit. there should be lots of opportunity for MP line mares to pick from all those ND lines. Machiavellian has mucho potential in what you describe, imho.
jm
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truehoncho wrote:hi,
I find this very interesting, I am particularly fond of MrP and only buy broodmares from his sire line in order to cover them with the cheaper commercial ND sire line stallions. Am I on the right track?
Further I very much like Machiavellian duplicated in the pedigree, for instance a Shamardal sire over a Medicean mare. This brings in numerous lines of Almahmoud. Is this a good thing?
(I am in the UK)
I think Sharmardal over a Medicean mare would be a very interesting pedigree; sex balanced Machiavellian 3x3 and sex balanced Storm Bird 4x4.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php? ... lor=000000
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truehoncho
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Patuxet
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In Passkey you have a very nice mare. I'm not so keen on duplicating Machiavellian except through exceptional performers.
I like the advantages of a mating with Gr.I winner Lord Shanakill which stands for the same fee as Casamento.
This mating duplicates Mr. Prospector through his Chef-de-Race son, Gone West, provides 5x5 inbreeding to Sassafras and Special, 5x4 inbreeding to Storm Bird and further increases the influence of Northern Dancer with doses of the closely-related Sadlers Wells and Nureyev.
Good luck with whatever you do!
Allison
I like the advantages of a mating with Gr.I winner Lord Shanakill which stands for the same fee as Casamento.
This mating duplicates Mr. Prospector through his Chef-de-Race son, Gone West, provides 5x5 inbreeding to Sassafras and Special, 5x4 inbreeding to Storm Bird and further increases the influence of Northern Dancer with doses of the closely-related Sadlers Wells and Nureyev.
Good luck with whatever you do!
Allison
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truehoncho
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Hi Patuxet
I did look at Lord Shanakill and liked the things you highlighted. My concern was that using a MrP line stallion with a MrP line broodmare has not proven too successful in the UK.
Am I right to be concerned? LS is a good looking stallion and is as you say in the same price bracket.
As a matter of interest he first foal was a colt by Kheleyf that made E10k as a yearling. He turned out on his front offside but was very attractive.
She has a filly foal by Captain Gerrard that is very correct and strong.
I did look at Lord Shanakill and liked the things you highlighted. My concern was that using a MrP line stallion with a MrP line broodmare has not proven too successful in the UK.
Am I right to be concerned? LS is a good looking stallion and is as you say in the same price bracket.
As a matter of interest he first foal was a colt by Kheleyf that made E10k as a yearling. He turned out on his front offside but was very attractive.
She has a filly foal by Captain Gerrard that is very correct and strong.