Conduit Mares

[DDT]

Jeff

My question was not about where the females become a common ancestor in the pedigree but the fact that Bill and Coo did not appear in the pedigree of Silver Deputy as stated by Bill. I sure wish you would read the posts before offering a reply to them.

DDT

[hpkingjr]

Jeff

you could have done a hypo mating with Silver Deputy and Somethingroyal and easily followed the pedigrees back to find where
their female families converge.


Another tool I like along the same vein is to use the tail female feature for each horse. I find it quicker if the common ancestor is pretty far back.

[Bill from WA]

CHEROKEE ROSE (1910)
By Peter Pan
Family 8c


In 1942 a chestnut colt named Shut Out won the Kentucky Derby, placing him in the company of America’s horseracing immortals. Shut Out’s sire, the dark chestnut Equipoise, was the winner of 29 of 51 starts. Known as the “Chocolate Soldier”, he was the most popular horse of his era in America. Pennant, the sire of Equipoise, was a coarse looking chestnut with soundness problems, (bad legs and feet), who, despite his infirmities, was unbeaten as a two-year-old, and was the winner of 9 of 12 lifetime starts. In the stud, he sired 40 stakes winners. Pennant was a full sibling to the Conduit mare, Cherokee Rose II.

Foaled a year before Pennant, Cherokee Rose II was bred by James R. Keene, who owned the legendary Domino in partnership with his son Foxhall Keene. In the Keene dispersal sale of 1912, Cherokee Rose II was purchased by H. P. Whitney, and raced as a two-year-old under Whitney’s colors in England, where she had 1 win and 1 second in five starts. After her juvenile season she was returned to America to be bred.

In the stud she produced 6 foals, 4 of which raced, with 2 winners and one placed. Her daughter Rosie O’Grady won the Fashion Stakes and was named Champion two-year-old filly in America.

The list of the influential descendants of this mare reads like a Who’s Who of the American turf. Ruffian, Storm Cat, Fusaichi Pegasus, Jaipur, and Pine Bluff are just a few of the remarkable performers that have emerged through the conduit that was Cherokee Rose II.

[Bill from WA]

See Santa Anita Derby.

[Shergar]

Bill;

Has Padula (8f) been re-classified? In the above post you stated Padula is an I-S.

I thought she was a straight I classification.

Thanks for the great information on the conduit mares.

All the best,
Shergar

[Bill from WA]

Hi Shergar

The aptitudes are always mutable since new results, and information from all over the world are evaluated yearly. My initial studies were limited regarding international results, but better access to those races has justified the reclassification of some of the mares.

Bill

[Shergar]

Thanks Bill for such a quick reply.

I've sent you an e-mail about conduit mare updates.

All the best to you,
Shergar

[vineyridge]

Bill in WA, I love reading these posts. Please keep them coming for as long as you are willing and able.

I have to say that it is odd that all the mares you've posted about on this thread are also very productive lines for jumping and most of the names you've mentioned are the ones that I look for in pedigrees of TB horses for sport. It would seem that these mares pass on, at a fairly high rate, superior athleticism as well as the (so far undiscovered) jump gene. Of course most modern day TBs and high percentage TBs are found in eventing where both the gallop and stamina are important.

Padula is one of my favorite mare lines. She's also the dam line for Relic, who has become a staple line in steeplechase breeding overseas. I've speculated that doubling Padula alleviates some of the soundness issues that come with RAN. She is doubled in a stallion named Primitive Rising through RAN and Relic, and he was both a steeplechase and eventing sire in the UK. By thr RAN son, Raise A Man out of the Olden Times mare Peroquita (sp). Primitive Rising has been a great eventing sire at the turn of the Twenty-First Century.

[Bill from WA]

Hi vineyridge

Great info. Something to investigate here.

Bill

[Bill from WA]

FINE FEATHERS
(1904)
By Gallinule
Family 16h


Fine Feathers was bred in Ireland by Henry, (later Sir Henry) Greer. She was unraced and was first covered as a three-year-old when in the ownership of William Hall Walker (later Lord Wavertree).

She was sold in December of 1908 at Newmarket for 600 guineas to John Musker. She produced seven live foals for Musker, including the filly Tuscan Red who was sent to America where she produced 13 foals, 12 of which raced, with 9 winners. It is through this mare that most of Fine Feathers’ influence is felt.

When Mr. Musker dispersed his breeding stock at Newmarket in July of 1917, Fine Feathers was sold for 300 guineas to Baron Maurice de Rothchild in foal to Galloping Simon. Fine Feathers produced seven foals for Baron Rothchild.

Rothchild sold her in France on November 28, 1925 for 1500 francs (lowest price of the day,) to L. Patin, for whom she produced two foals, the last in 1927.

Fine Feathers is not credited with any winners, and late in 1927 she was put down at age 23.

The Classic winners, Chateaugay, Little Current and Long Look, descend from Fine Feathers, as well as the Broodmares of the Year, Anne Campbell, and Primonetta

[Bill from WA]

GRACE COMMONER
(1904)
By The Commoner
Family 9c

The chestnut mare Grace Commoner was pretty much an All-American-Girl. Going back tail female several generations to Leviathan Mare (1842), you will find that all of the mares within that line were bred in the U.S.A., and her pedigree is resplendent with the premier horses of that early American era.

Foaled at Milton Young’s McGrathiana Stud in Lexington, Kentucky, Grace Commoner was line-bred to the Champion Sire Lexington, 5x5. Her own sire, the chestnut horse The Commoner, a winner of 18 races, was the progenitor of 23 stakes winners in his stud career, and a full sibling to Rhoda B, the dam of Epsom Derby winner, Orby.

Grace Commoner produced four fillies, and only one, Washoe Belle by Sweep, had any success in carrying on the line. Washoe Belle was the winner of only one race in 13 starts, but was a great success as a broodmare, producing 13 foals, 12 runners and 10 winners, with 4 of the winners coming home first in Stakes races. All of the Classic winners tracing back to Grace Commoner go through Washoe Belle.

Although he was not a Classic winner per se, Alydar is a member of the Grace Commoner clan as well as Forward Pass (Kentucky Derby & Preakness Stakes), Codex (Preakness), Our Mims (CCA Oaks), Christmas Past (CCA Oaks), and Broodmare of the Year Sweet Tooth.

[Bill from WA]

MARCHETTA
(1907)
By Marco
Family 1w


The 16th Earl of Derby bred the very influential broodmare Marchetta. When the filly was still a yearling the Earl died, and her ownership was transferred to the 17th Earl under whose colors Marchetta raced. The chestnut mare was moderately successful on the turf, winning 3 of 18 starts, ages two and three.

Her sire, the 16.1 hand deep chestnut Marco, was the winner of 10 of 24 starts, and was an influential and popular sire in his day. Among his progeny were the high-class performers, Beppo, and Marcovil, who also became successful stallions in their own right.

Retired to stud after her three-year-old campaign, Marchetta produced 13 foals and 9 winners, including the full sisters Rose Red, and Sweet Lavender, both sired by St. Leger winner, Swynford. This half sibling to the influential stallion, Chaucer, was the leading sire in England in 1923, and leading broodmare sire in 1932.

Rose Red and Sweet Lavender established two separate and equally important branches emanating from Marchetta. Sweet Lavender, through her daughter Lavendula, is responsible for the major influences, Ambiorix, Perfume, and My Babu. The descendants of Rose Red enjoy an equal, and perhaps an even higher status, with the Classic winners Celtic Ash (Belmont Stakes), Larkspur (Epsom Derby), Festoon (1000 Guineas), Altesse Royale (Oaks Stakes, 1000 Guineas), and Nocturnal Spree (1000 Guineas) all tracing to the fount that was Marchetta.

[Bill from WA]

PRETTY POLLY
(1901)
By Gallinule
Family14c

Pretty Polly was one of the greatest racemares ever foaled in England. Bred and raced by Major Eustace Loder, this “peerless” mare, although considered a bit masculine by some observers, was a magnificent physical specimen, with a marvelously regal carriage. Undefeated in 9 starts as a juvenile and winner of 22 of 24 lifetime starts, she reached her peak at three, when she won the 1000 Guineas, the Oaks Stakes and the St. Leger Stakes.

A bright chestnut standing 15.2 hands, she exhibited a calm demeanor while in race training, but changed completely as a broodmare when she became flighty, nervous, and difficult to handle. She was not a particular success as a broodmare, producing just four winners from ten foals, but through the 24 fillies that were produced by her 4 daughters, she is still found in many pedigrees of top flight racing stock worldwide.

Bred in the purple, her sire, the chestnut horse Gallinule raced until he was five years of age, making a total of 21 starts, with all three of his wins recorded as a two-year-old. He was Leading Sire in England in 1904 and 1905, and leading Broodmare Sire five times. Pretty Polly’s dam, Admiration, another chestnut, was a stakes winner in Ireland, and dam of 13 foals in 13 years, with 9 winners.

The Italian master Frederico Tesio, following his pattern of acquiring descendants of great race mares, purchased a yearling out of Pretty Polly’s daughter Dutch Mary for 210 guineas, and utilizing most of the letters in the alphabet, christened her Duccia Di Buonninsegna. She proved to be a bargain, as she turned out to be an exceptional racehorse, winning the Italian 1000 Guineas among other notable triumphs. She became the grand dam of the superior racehorse and sire, Donatello II.

Two Epsom Derby winners, one ‘Arc winner, three 2000 Guineas winners, an Oaks Stakes winner, and a Broodmare of the Year descend from the immortal “Peerless” Pretty Polly.

[Bill from WA]

RAMBLING ROSE
(1909)
By St. Amant
Family 3-l

Rambling Rose was bred in England by J.A. Dawson, and raced twice, unplaced, in the name of her trainer Felix Leach as a two-year-old. She was sent to stud in her third year.

There was nothing in her production record that would foreshadow the success that was to come in future generations, since she has no winners credited. Her dam, Barmaid, was unplaced in four starts as a two-year-old and also had a meager record as a broodmare. However, there apparently was dormant excellence within the pedigrees of these matrons.

Rambling Rose’s sire, St. Amant, won the 2000 Guineas, and the Epsom Derby (run during a violent thunderstorm). Her Broodmare sire Galliard was also a winner of the 2000 Guineas, and both St. Amant and Galliard proved to be successful sires, but it took a few generations for the latent qualities imparted by these superior individuals to emerge.

Fast forward to the mare Uvira II, the great granddaughter of Rambling Rose, and the dormant excellence suddenly was activated. Uvira II (1938) by Umidwar, was bred by the H.H. Aga Khan, and only had one win in four starts, but that one win was in the Irish Oaks. Retired to stud, she produced, among others, the filly Missy Baba. Missy Baba was only a moderate success as a racehorse, winning one of seven starts, but became one of turfdoms great broodmares. The dam of 13 foals, 12 of which raced, and all 12 winning, she has left her indelible stamp on racing history. Through her sons, Sauce Boat and Raja Baba, and her daughters Toll Booth and Gay Missile, her influence is apparent in many of today’s best thoroughbreds, all carried forth from this Conduit mare, Rambling Rose.

Some of the outstanding performers descending through Rambling Rose are, A P Indy (Belmont Stakes, and Preakness), Lemon Drop Kid (Belmont Stakes), Summer Squall (Preakness Stakes), and the Broodmares of the Year, Weekend Surprise, and Toll Booth.

[Bill from WA]

DAZZLING
(1900)
By St Leonards
Family 2d


Dazzling is another conduit mare bred and raced by the brothers James R. and Foxhall Keene. The chestnut filly didn’t compete as a two-year-old, but was highly tried at three. Departing her homeland, she tackled the best fillies in England in the 1000 Guineas, and the Epsom Oaks Stakes, and, failing to place in either Classic race, she was sent back to America to be bred.

In the breeding shed she produced six foals, all fillies. J.R. Keene was the breeder of her first four foals, and Dazzling then was acquired by J.N. Camden of Heartland Stud, Versailles, Kentucky, who is listed as the breeder of her last two foals, one of which, Fly By Night II, raced in England under the colors of H.P. Whitney. Dazzling’s 1908, and 1909 fillies were sent to Argentina in 1910, and Dazzling died in 1911.

The influence of Dazzling is predominately carried on through Fly By Night II, who’s daughter Flying Witch, a winner of 1 of 6 starts, was the dam of the stakes winner Mother Goose, who’s unraced daughter, Arbitrator, produced Almahmoud, the 2nd dam of the renowned Northern Dancer.

Northern Dancer isn’t the singular accomplishment attributed to this family; Dual Classic winner Spectacular Bid, Kentucky Derby winner Cannonade, Breeders Cup Classic winner Skywalker, and Broodmare of the Year Cosmah, are also part of Dazzling’s resume, one which would rank her as one of the most influential of the Conduit mares.