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On either side of the Atlantic tomorrow Saturday May 5th two leading horse races take place the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs and the 2000 Guineas at Newmarket and as far as I know 21 racehorses line up for the Kentucky Derby while 14 racehorses line up for the 2000 Guineas.
Now remember I have written that after Teofilo won the Dewhurst Stakes in 2006 I formed the opinion that his sire Galileo http://www.pedigreequery.com/galileo4 might be the thoroughbred version of a racing greyhound called Monalee Champion http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=154442 , you might have to create a new account to access this pedigree?
Now I had to then also form the opinion that Sadlers Wells must be the thoroughbred version of Monalee Champion’s sire a racing greyhound called Crazy Parachute and Northern Dancer must be the thoroughbred version of Crazy Parachute’s sire that was called Hi There.
I had to also form the opinion that Mr Prospector was the thoroughbred version of Monalee Champion’s maternal great grandsire Champion Prince but my findings told me that Miswaki could not the thoroughbred version of Monalee Champion’s maternal grandsire The Grand Prince.
So I had to assume that thoroughbred evolution was up to its old tricks again of implementing the same evolutionary manoeuvres in a slightly different way, so I therefore had to assumed that Machiavellian who my findings told me was the thoroughbred version of The Grand Prince should have been the sire of Galileo’s mother Urban Sea instead of Miswaki, so Machiavellian should make an appearance at some stage of proceedings maybe in the pedigree of a parental grandson of Galileo or an animal with the same pedigree as Talsimanic http://www.pedigreequery.com/talismanic2 I have not a clue at this stage how it will happen?
Any way my findings at the end of 2006 represented a big breakthrough in my understanding of thoroughbred and racing greyhound breeding and I realized that it also represented a big breakthrough in any advice that I could give, so in this post I shall therefore also bring North America into the mix taking into account that I wrote in my last post that I would only be concentrating on Europe.
Now I have previously written that if remove Raise a Native, Native Danncer and Polynesian completely from Galileo’s pedigree one would find the exact same symmetry that one finds in the pedigree of Monalee Champion you can read all of this again in-depth in my post titled Mirror Image 7 on the brilliant thoroughbredhorsepedigree website forum viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36603 .
Remember Monalee Champion’s second racing season was 1967 which I class as the same year in thoroughbred similar evolution as Galileo’s second racing season which was 2001, I can work this out because a racehorse lives twice as long as a greyhound, so I had to assume that the year 1974 in racing greyhound similar evolutionary terms was equivalent to the year 2015 in thoroughbred similar evolutionary terms.

Let’s have a look at my Leading Sire Table and Sire Line Tables for the racing greyhounds in the British Isle for the year 1974, and compare it to my similar Tables for the racehorse for Europe for 2015.
1974 LEADING SIRE TABLE FOR THE RACING GREYHOUNDS IN THE BRITISH ISLE

Parental sire line descendants of HI THERE

JIMSUN…………….http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=33&y=10
DANKIE…………… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=30&y=11
STREAKY SHEILA.. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=34&y=11
LEADERS CHAMPION… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=26&y=14
BLACKWATER CHAMP… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=17&y=14
BLESSINGTON BOY… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=23901
LAST ROCKET……. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1002015
CHAIN GANG…….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=40298
CARRY ON BIMBO… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... O&x=25&y=9
GAY KATHY……... http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1370731
SHAMROCK POINT… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=207323
PINEAPPLE GRAND… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... D&x=27&y=7
MOUNTLEADER GOLD… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=20&y=12
STAGE BOX…………. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=220894
MILLIES EXPRESS... http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... S&x=33&y=9
QUOTE ME………… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=186604
LEADING PRIDE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=24&y=13
CROWN WALTER… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=25&y=14
TULLIG MASTER… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=37&y=13
MONDAYS GLAMOUR… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=20&y=10
LADY DEVINE…… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=127576
BLACK CAPRICE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1955820
PRINCE WONG…… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=22&y=12
WESTPARK MUSTARD… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=28&y=10
SHADY RUFFIAN…. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=34&y=12
COWBOY JOE…. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=51216
OVER PROTECTED… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=29&y=10
BEALKILLA DIVER… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=14&y=10
DAEMONIC GAMBOL… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... L&x=27&y=8
MOYNES HERO…. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1408885
MONEY AGAIN… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1406966
ACOMB DOT…… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... T&x=30&y=9
STAR VEGA…… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=27&y=13
CLEAR REASON… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=37&y=10
DEISE VALIANT… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... T&x=36&y=8
GONE THE TIME… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=27&y=11
RAYHILL JOE…. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... E&x=18&y=8
DUNGEEL CHECK… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... K&x=28&y=9
KESINGTON PARK… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=401999

So 39 parental sire line descendants of Hi There each won at least one feature event over a certain value in the British Isle during 1974.

Parental sire line descendants of CHAMPION PRINCE.

COWPARK YANK… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=22&y=11
FUR COLLAR….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=34&y=15
DARK MERCURY… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=29&y=11
BALLYMACLUNE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?z=cydro ... &x=29&y=11
PASS ME NOT….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=174813
SHARA FLASH… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=SHARA+FLASH&x=32&y=10
LIVELY BAND… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=LIVELY+BAND&x=42&y=12
TORY MOR……. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=TORY+MOR&x=36&y=8
TORY SNOWBALL… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=TORY+ ... &x=24&y=12
SILENT THOUGHT… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=211069
TOMMY ASTAIRE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=TOMMY ... &x=34&y=10
BALLYGLASS HOPE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=BALLY ... &x=30&y=12
HIGH PRIESTESS…. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=HIGH+ ... S&x=32&y=9
EMPTY PRIDE…….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=71416

So 14 parental sire line descendants of Champion Prince each won at least one feature event over a certain value in the British Isle during 1974.

Parental sire line descendants of TANIST.

NELSON BLAST….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=162571
NELSON BELLE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=162570
WESTMEAD VALLEY… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=WESTM ... Y&x=41&y=9
SILVER SCEPTRE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=211603
HOLLPARK JEANIDA… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=HOLLP ... &x=33&y=11

So 5 parental sire line descendants of Tanist each won at least one feature event over a certain value in the British Isle during 1974.

Racing greyhounds that are not parental sire line descendants of HI THERE, CHAMPION PRINCE or TANIST.

WESTBROOK QUINN… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=WESTB ... &x=27&y=10
MRYTOWN…….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=160431
AQUADUCT ROSIE… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=276201
BALLINATTIN BOY… http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=13019
HEAD THE POLL….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=HEAD+ ... &x=16&y=12
PURPLE SUN…….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=PURPLE+SUN&x=29&y=10
CUTE CADDIE….. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=CUTE+CADDIE&x=27&y=18

So the 7 racing greyhounds that are not parental sire line descendants of either Hi There, Champion Prince or Tanist each won at least one feature event over a certain value in the British Isle during 1974, all of these greyhounds are and are thought of as parental sire line descendants of a greyhound called Staff Officer, so my Leading Sire Table for the British Isle in 1974 would look like this.

1…MONALEE CHAMPION 11 WINNERS (H T)
2…THE GRAND SILVER 5 WINNERS (H T)
2…YANKA BOY 5 WINNERS (C P)
4…SPECTRE 4 WINNERS (H T)
4…MYROSS AGAIN 4 WINNERS (S O)
5…SUPREME FUN 3 WINNERS (H T)
7…NEWDOWN HEATHER 2 WINNERS (H T)
7…SILVER HOPE 2 WINNERS (C P)
7…TOMS PAL 2 WINNERS (C P)
7…IVY HALL FLASH 2 WINNERS (C P)
7…KILBEG KUDA 2 WINNERS (S O)
7…NELSON PILLAR 2 WINNERS (TANIST)
13..DUSTY TRAIL 1 WINNER (H T)
13…MONALEE ARKLE 1 WINNER (H T)
13…SALLYS YARN 1 WINNER (H T)
13…DON’T GAMBOL 1 WINNER (H T)
13…FORWARD FLASH 1 WINNER (H T)
13…CLOMONEY GRAND 1 WINNER (H T)
13…LITTLE COUNTY 1 WINNER (H T)
13…COBBLER 1 WINNER (H T)
13…QUIET SPRING 1 WINNER (H T)
13…VALIANT RAY 1 WINNER (H T)
13…LISAMOTE PRECEPT 1 WINNER (H T)
13…KIRKLAND DARKIE 1 WINNER (H T)
13…COMPUTER CHECK 1 WINNER (H T)
13…KILBELIN STYLE 1 WINNER (C P)
13…FAITHFUL HOPE 1 WINNER (C P)
13…RUSSIAN GUN 1 WINNER (C P)
13…OWN PRIDE 1 WINNER (C P)
13…CARRY ON OREGON 1 WINNER (TANIST)
13…MARYVILLE HI 1 WINNER (TANIST)
13…DENEHOLME HUNTER 1 WINNER (TANIST)
13…RED BARREL 1 WINNER (S O)


This is the Sire Line Table that I could then compile from the above information.

1….HI THERE 19 SIRES 39 WINNERS
2…CHAMPION PRINCE 7 SIRES 14 WINNERS
3…STAFF OFFICER 3 SIRES 7 WINNERS
4…TANIST 4 SIRES 5 WINNERS
…………………………………………………………………………………………..
TOTAL 33 SIRES 65 WINNERS

2015 LEADING SIRE TABLE FOR EUROPE

1…GALILEO http://www.pedigreequery.com/galileo4 (35 WINNERS) N D
2…SHAMARDAL http://www.pedigreequery.com/shamardal (23 WINNERS) N D
3....DUBAWI http://www.pedigreequery.com/dubawi (18 WINNERS) N D
4…DARK ANGEL http://www.pedigreequery.com/dark+angel9 (14 WINNERS) N D
4…TEOFILO http://www.pedigreequery.com/teofilo2 (14 WINNERS) N D
4…INVINCIBLE SPIRIT http://www.pedigreequery.com/invincible+spirit (14 WINNERS) N D
7…PIVOTAL http://www.pedigreequery.com/pivotal (12 WINNERS) N D
8…MASTERCRAFTSMAN http://www.pedigreequery.com/mastercraftsman( 11 WINNERS) N D
8… DANSILI http://www.pedigreequery.com/dansili (11 WINNERS) N D
8…SEA THE STARS http://www.pedigreequery.com/sea+the+stars (11 WINNERS) N D
11...CAPE CROSS http://www.pedigreequery.com/cape+cross (10 WINNERS) N D
11…KODIAC http://www.pedigreequery.com/ (10 WINNERS) N D
13…FASTNET ROCK http://www.pedigreequery.com/fastnet+rock2 (9 WINNERS) N D
13…OASIS DREAM http://www.pedigreequery.com/oasis+dream (9 WINNERS) N D
15…DUTCH ART http://www.pedigreequery.com/dutch+art (8 WINNERS) M P
15…NEW APPROACH http://www.pedigreequery.com/new+approach (8 WINNERS) N D
15…DANEHILL DANCER http://www.pedigreequery.com/danehill+dancer (8 WINNERS) N D
15…LOPEDE VEGA http://www.pedigreequery.com/lope+de+vega (8 WINNERS) N D
19…AUTHORIZED http://www.pedigreequery.com/authorized4 (7 WINNERS) N D
19…RAVENS PASS http://www.pedigreequery.com/ravens+pass (7 WINNERS) M P
19…HIGH CHAPARRAL http://www.pedigreequery.com/high+chaparral (7 WINNERS) N D
19..EXCEED AND EXCEL http://www.pedigreequery.com/exceed+and+excel (7 WINNERS) N D
23…LE HARVE http://www.pedigreequery.com/le+havre6 (6 WINNERS) N / N

I think you get the idea so in my actual Table I have compiled a list of the leading 100 sires in Europe for the year 2015 and this is the Sire Line Table that I came up with.

1…NORTHERN DANCER 57 SIRES 353 WINNERS
2…MR PROSPECTOR 19 SIRES 83 WINNERS
3…NEARCO 14 SIRES 44 WINNERS
4…BLANDFORD 4 SIRES 17 WINNERS
5…CYLLENE 3 SIRES 8 WINNERS
6…HYPERION 1 SIRE 6 WINNERS
7…TOURBILLON 2 SIRES 4 WINNERS
…………………………………………………………………………………
TOTAL 100 SIRES 515 WINNERS

You can see that I have labelled Nearco, Blandford, Cyllene, Hyperion and Tourbillon as Specific Starting Points and of course I have done this for a reason, Nearco is the thoroughbred version of the racing greyhound Tanist which might seem a strange thing to write but this is how thoroughbred similar evolution implemented the same evolutionary manoeuvres as racing greyhound similar evolution during the 2nd cycle.
Actually the two racing greyhound brothers Myross Again and Kilbeg Kuda plus Red Barrel come under the same banner as the 3 sires that descended from Cyllene along the parental sire line, because Staff Officer is Cyllene’s racing greyhound similar evolutionary equivalent.
So in effect Northern Dancer and his racing greyhound version Hi There are exerting the same influence on my Tables as are Mr Prospector and his racing greyhound version Champion Prince, you can see that Nearco occupies 3rd position in the thoroughbred Table while his racing greyhound version Tanist occupies 4th position in the racing greyhound Table.
Staff Officer is in 3rd position in the racing greyhound Table of 1974, while Staff Officer’s thoroughbred version Cyllene occupies 5th position in the 2015 thoroughbred Sire Line Table a bit different no doubt and possibly confusing but at least the main two sires in each species are exerting the same influence.
Let’s have a look at the fields for the Kentucky Derby and 2000 Guineas, well as far as I know 21 racehorses line up for the 2018 Kentucky Derby and they are.

1….JUSTIFY (SCAT DADDY) N D
2….MENDELSSOHN (SCAT DADDY) N D
3….AUDIBLE (INTO MISCHIEF) N D
4…MAGNUM MOON (MALIBU MOON) N / N
5….GOOD MAGIC (CURLIN) M P
6….BOLT D’ORO (MEDAGLIA D’ORO) N D
7….SOLOMINI (CURLIN) M P
8….HOFBURG (TAPIT) N / N
9….VINO ROSSO (CURLIN) M P
10….ENTICED (MEDAGLIA D’ORO) N D
11…NOBLE INDY (TAKE CHARGE INDY) N / N
12…FREE DROP BILLY (UNION RAGS) N D
13…MY BOY JACK (CREATIVE CAUSE) N D
14…PROMISES FULFILLED (SHACKLEFORD) N D
15…BRAVAZO (AWESOMEAGAIN) N D
16…FLAMEAWAY (SCAT DADDY) N D
17…INSTILLED REGARD (ARCH) N / N
18…LONE SAILOR (MAJESTIC WARRIOR) N / N
19…COMBATANT (SCAT DADDY) N D
20…FIRENZE FIRE (POSEIDON’S WARRIOR) M P
21…BLENDED CITIZEN (PROUD CITIZEN) M P

So of those 21 racehorses 11 are parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer and 5 are parental sire line descendants of Mr Prospector and 5 are neither parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer or Mr Prospector.
Of those 11 parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer 6 have sires on their parental sire lines whose dams are parental sire line descendants of Mr Prospector.
Of the 5 parental sire line descendants of Mr Prospector 4 have sires on their paternal sire lines whose dams are parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer and the dam of one of those 5 racehorses is also a parental sire line descendant of Mr Prospector, my findings tell me to highlight one of those 5 racehorses and he is called Vino Rosso.

Now 17 racehorses line up for the 2018 2000 Guineas and they are.

1…GUSTAV KIMIT (GALILEO) N D
2…MASAR (NEW APPROACH) N D
3…SAXON WARROIR (DEEP IMPACT) RC / N
4…ELARQAM (FRANKEL) N D
5…EXPERT EYE (ACCLAMATION) N D
6…ROARING LION (KITTEN’S JOY) N D
7…JAMES GARFIELD (EXCEED AND EXCEL) N D
8…HEADWAY (HAVANA GOLD) N D
9…RIAD (HAVANA GOLD) N D
10...TIP TWO WIN (DARK ANGEL) N D
11…MURILLO (SCAT DADDY) N D
12…RAJASINGHE (CHOISR) N D
13…NEBO (KODIAC) N D
14…CARDSHARP (LONHRO) R C / N

So of those 14 racehorses 12 are parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer and 2 are not, of the 12 parental sire line descendants of Northern Dancer 6 have sires on their parental sire lines whose dams are parental sire line descendants of Mr Prospector and the dam of one of those 6 racehorses is also a parental sire line descendant of Mr Prospector, my findings tell me to highlight this actual racehorse and he is called Roaring Lion.
I shall now give the train of thought that I followed that enabled me to interpret Roaring Lion as possibly being highlighted by my findings.
O K so Hi There was found 4 – removes back along the parental sire lines of the racing greyhounds Its Ballyhenry http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?0=dummy ... 371479_1=1 Bold Work http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=26951 and Daley’s Gold http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=daleys+gold&x=31&y=9 and Hi There was found 3 – removes back along the parental sire line of a greyhound called Supreme Fun http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?d=supreme+fun&x=30&y=13 .
These are some of the racing greyhounds that I am trying to find thoroughbred versions for, now once I was convinced the Galileo was the thoroughbred equivalent of Monalee Champion I therefore had to assumed that Machiavellian who my findings told me was the thoroughbred version of The Grand Prince should have been the sire of Galileo’s mother Urban Sea instead of Miswaki, and that Machiavellian had to figure in some sort of compensatory form for the fact that he was missing from the pedigree of Galileo.
A clue to how this might happen emerged due to the exploits of Sea the Stars in 2009 after that I could then think of one of the likes of Shamardal, Zoffany, Terrorities and Talismanic as being possibly the real thoroughbred version of Monalee Champion.
All sorts of permutations were going through my head, now both Its Ballyhenry and Bold Work are sons if a greyhound called Itsachampion while Daley’s Gold is a son of Lidas Chamion who is another son of Monalee Champion, Supreme Fun was a son of Newdown Heather who was a parental grandson of Hi There let’s actually forget about Supreme Fun at present.
So in racing greyhound similar evolution we had the great sire trio of Monalee Champion his sire Crazy Parachute and his sire Hi There and matching them in thoroughbred similar evolution we the great sire trio of Galileo his sire Sadlers Wells and his sire Northern Dancer.
Now Itsachampion the sire of Its Ballyhenry and Bold Work was probably the best sire son of Monalee Champion along with Lindas Champion who was the sire of Daley’s Gold.
So one of the things that I have top consider is will the same scenario take place again that means that possibly one of the two best sire sons of Galileo could be the sire of the thoroughbred versions of Its Ballyhenry and Bold Work.
Or will for some reason things go a different route meaning that the likes of Talismanic could be the thoroughbred version of Monalee Champion which means that I am keeping Sadlers Wells along the parental sire line, remember the likes of Shamardal, Zoffany and Territories do not have Sadlers Wells along their parental sire lines.
Then there is the possibility that we might have a pedigree like the one possessed by Roaring Lion http://www.pedigreequery.com/roaring+lion2 were the dam of the racehorse may be a parental sire line descendant of Machiavellian instead of actually being by Machiavellian himself.
I would usually reveal the identities of my highlighted racehorses when they are due to retire to stud not like Vino Rosso and Roaring Lion revealing their identies at the start of their 3 – y – o careers.
For instance something might come to light during 2018 that changes things maybe some new evidence or I might suddenly conceive something which may mean I have to take the highlighted status from some of my interpretations.
Actually while compiling the information for this posts this is exactly what happened I have had an idea that may prove to be the way all of this pans out which means that even if Roaring Lion wins or runs well in the 2000 Guineas I might have to change his status.
Now if Vino Rosso wins the Kentucky Derby and Roaring Lion wins the 2000 Guineas I unfortunately know to my cost that one cannot use my findings for betting purposes, the bookmakers always seem to find a saviour.
Remember if I had been able to make money from betting on my findings I would not need to convey all of this to anybody you would never have heard about me, so hopefully after reading all of this you will make it your business to follow the fate of my predictions and if satisfied act accordingly.


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