It's Rok and I against the WORLD!!!

[Sam]

I post alot because i watch probably more races than anyone here.

You don't honestly believe that, do you? There are people here who are 10x more involved in the industry than some snot-nosed 24yo kid who thinks he knows more than he does. Do you really think you watch more races than anyone else here? Do you know how many trainers, breeders, owners, etc are on this board?

since when is that Taking over the forum?

Heidi didn't say you were taking over the forum... jesus, if you are going to get pissed off about people supposedly not reading your posts, you need to start reading theirs.

You and Roke take over THREADS. Recently, MANY of them degenerate into nothing but you and Roke yapping back and forth at each other -- little to none of it is related to the original post and most of it is stuff no one wants to wade through to find something worth reading so the thread gets abandoned. Go look at how many of the threads over 3 pages are almost exclusively you and Roke posting (a handful of posts from Tuc and Maven) in the latter pages.

You're not being taken seriously because you post some really nonsensical things -- the cheerleading for Magnifiecence a really good example -- and you and Roke start rifting like a pair of jazz musicians on a cocaine binder. You get short answers because no one is taking you seriously enough to waste more than a few words in response. Responding by telling people that ignoring you is done at their peril because you're one of the best handicappers around only makes it worse. Again, people who are really good at what they do don't have to self-promote.

Let's put it this way... this board in its current form has been here almost 4 years... it wasn't until you and Roke showed up that we had to have a designated Off Topic forum.

Sam said I was being aggressive with people and mouthing off.. I told her to post 1 reference and I'll give anyone for that matter who can in about this race 50 bucks

THIS POST is a really good example -- especially that crap about how you watch more races than anyone here. You get challenged and you start coping an attitude and talking about how good you are at handicapping. For someone who says he has a thick skin, you're awfully defensive. Again, I suggest you go back and read this thread -- objectively -- from the beginning.

And again.. I'll give you rok and storm cat. but besides that.. what has the guy honestly done to get under anyone's skin?

You weren't here for the really offensive, racist crap that Rogue had to delete.

Actually, people seem to be tossing him under the bridge because he has an opinion that is varying from yours.

He was "tossed under the bridge" for posts that have since been removed and because for a while, his only contribution to a thread was to turn it into another moronic tirade against Storm Cat/Unbridled's Song/Todd Pletcher -- even when the subject didn't have a damn thing to do with them. He also earned his place under that bridge for exactly the reasons Heidi stated -- most of us grew tired of his flooding a thread with nonsense and trying to pick fights (and not just with me). As with any internet troll, he throws a lot of inflammatory crap against the wall and waits for someone to scream about it. I'm not the only one to comment that he never really seems to believe in most of what he says, he just posts because he sucked someone into arguing with him.

[Rokeby Forever]

Getting back to Sam initially baiting on this thread and her lies that have been pointed out.....

[bdw0617]

I post alot because i watch probably more races than anyone here.

You don't honestly believe that, do you? There are people here who are 10x more involved in the industry than some snot-nosed 24yo kid who thinks he knows more than he does. Do you really think you watch more races than anyone else here? Do you know how many trainers, breeders, owners, etc are on this board?

since when is that Taking over the forum?

Heidi didn't say you were taking over the forum... jesus, if you are going to get pissed off about people supposedly not reading your posts, you need to start reading theirs.

You and Roke take over THREADS. Recently, MANY of them degenerate into nothing but you and Roke yapping back and forth at each other -- little to none of it is related to the original post and most of it is stuff no one wants to wade through to find something worth reading so the thread gets abandoned. Go look at how many of the threads over 3 pages are almost exclusively you and Roke posting (a handful of posts from Tuc and Maven) in the latter pages.

You're not being taken seriously because you post some really nonsensical things -- the cheerleading for Magnifiecence a really good example -- and you and Roke start rifting like a pair of jazz musicians on a cocaine binder. You get short answers because no one is taking you seriously enough to waste more than a few words in response. Responding by telling people that ignoring you is done at their peril because you're one of the best handicappers around only makes it worse. Again, people who are really good at what they do don't have to self-promote.

Let's put it this way... this board in its current form has been here almost 4 years... it wasn't until you and Roke showed up that we had to have a designated Off Topic forum.

Sam said I was being aggressive with people and mouthing off.. I told her to post 1 reference and I'll give anyone for that matter who can in about this race 50 bucks

THIS POST is a really good example -- especially that crap about how you watch more races than anyone here. You get challenged and you start coping an attitude and talking about how good you are at handicapping. For someone who says he has a thick skin, you're awfully defensive. Again, I suggest you go back and read this thread -- objectively -- from the beginning.

And again.. I'll give you rok and storm cat. but besides that.. what has the guy honestly done to get under anyone's skin?

You weren't here for the really offensive, racist crap that Rogue had to delete.

Actually, people seem to be tossing him under the bridge because he has an opinion that is varying from yours.

He was "tossed under the bridge" for posts that have since been removed and because for a while, his only contribution to a thread was to turn it into another moronic tirade against Storm Cat/Unbridled's Song/Todd Pletcher -- even when the subject didn't have a damn thing to do with them. He also earned his place under that bridge for exactly the reasons Heidi stated -- most of us grew tired of his flooding a thread with nonsense and trying to pick fights (and not just with me). As with any internet troll, he throws a lot of inflammatory crap against the wall and waits for someone to scream about it. I'm not the only one to comment that he never really seems to believe in most of what he says, he just posts because he sucked someone into arguing with him.

uh.. yeah I do watch more races than anyone here (more than likely).

I watch every race, every day of every meet. it's hard to beat that. exepct the ones I don't get on racereplays, which now aren't that many. and I have for the past 2 years.

I sit aside 3 hours of my day just to watch replays, and I can probably tell you more about Australian Racing than most people as I watch their card at least 5 nights a week.

the comment wasn't who KNOWS more about horses, it was who watches more races.

today I have watched at least 120 replays. how many have you watched sam?


what have I done to be called snot-noised? At 24 I've been though alot more than people half my age. I've started, ran and sold a successful internet company, and that was over a year and a half ago. I've been homeless before. There are some things i've had to deal with that some people here wouldn't have any idea how to handle. I was born with a a "condition" that can be deadly that I still carry to this day. And I've had the tactfulness to pull myself together and make a good living doing something i love. instead of getting some attempt at praise I get blasted by people like you. I said it in another post.. that's one area you don't want to touch, because you will look very silly, very quickly.


I will admit that I haven't been here very long, and anything that rok has done, espically that has been deleted and because I'm mixed myself would strike a very close chord to home.

[Sam]

Getting back to Sam initially baiting on this thread and her lies that have been pointed out.....

A rhetorical statement that draws an analogy is not a bait, no matter how you try to spin it. YOUR response to that statement was a bait. Maven even told you to STFU because it was a facetious comment that didn't require a response. YOU saw it as a golden opportunity to not only redirect the spotlight from your idiot touting of Sightseeing to a completely unrelated topic in order to provoke a response from me -- since directly quoting me about Pulpit earlier didn't work.

BD, you need an example of what gets people to abandon a thread. THIS THREAD is a perfect example. Since page five there have been 5 posts from 4 people -- two from PFRSue, one from Zinn, one from Heidi (that you chose to respond to by basically telling her to f*ck off) and one from Michael getting in a jabshot at me (BTW, if I'm being allowed to stay because I do database maintenance, I'm certainly not privy to that and if it were true, you'd think I'd have access to EVERYTHING that a paid member had. I don't. I've also called out Miles for being a lazy, money grubbing shit who doesn't care about securing the database integrity so long as you guys are stupid enough to continue to pay for incomplete and maliciously tampered data enough times to have earned a ban. But tell people something as stupid as "Sam gets a free pass because she works the database" enough times, they'll believe it -- especially if they want to because they don't like me).

The rest of them have been you, Maven, Roke and myself and it wasn't until Roke's bullshit post of quotes (done to hijack the thread and provoke a response) that it got really ugly. THIS is the kind of thing that affects the board and gets people to leave -- and it's been happening more and more since you and Roke showed up. Before, we just had a psycho who only showed up every 3-4 months... now, it's constant.

Again, go count how many thread of more than 3 pages are made up almost exclusively of you and Roke yapping, Roke beating one of his three favourite dead horses or you, Roke and Maven (sorry, luv, but you know you roll with them when they get started) rifting about OT crap (like the threads that eventually had to be split out to form that Off Topic forum -- something we've never needed in the last 3 years).

As for Roke fighting with someone other than me... FOS, Michael, BRogers and I'm blanking on the last person I saw but it was that thread about Evansville Slew/Sweetsouthernsaint have all been sucked into his crap at one time or another. Most of them exhibit better self-control than me and bail out after a couple of posts.

[bdw0617]

well let's look at what started the whole tirade in the first place


I get home from the gym, I decide, hey, let me go to the pedigreequery forum and see what's going on


and I see you amougs throwing a party because I picked the wrong horse



all I did at that point was explain how I came to the conclusion that I came to. nothing more, nothing less

IMHO, YOU have everything to do what's wrong with this thread.


I started it by laying out who I thought would win the travers and why.

I didn't do ANYTHING for a couple of days, becuase I've been busy.


Then when crap hits the fan and you start mouthing off, when I DEFEND myself I'm what's wrong. I'm ont going to just let anyone take cheap shots at me, you can forget that.




This thread could have saved 5 pages if you would have just said something to the likes of


"good pick huh?"

I would have commented how I was wrong, a few laughs in good names sake woud have been had.. all is well. but no. that's NOT what happened. posting why I feel the way I felt is wrong


and I didn't tell Heldilady to f off, again all I did was respond to her message by laying out what I thought in an extremely detailed fashion

I don't even know why we are having this conversation, I didn't do anything but post why I liked a certain horse in a certain race. I did the EXACT same thing int he Kings bishop the thread below and I don't see a 9 page response. If you want to stop the flaming, then stop flaming.. you can't flame someone, then get made when they respond to what you say sam. and I'm not even flaming you like Rok is. you have to be an intelligent person. I just don't appricate the fact that I opened up my firefox and see a party going on to my demise that you started


anyway, this is all getting old and I have to get finish what i'm doing. my point of the whole thread was SS is was in deep water after a perfect trip and the fact that ESPN had to have Jerry Bailey talk over Calvin Borel in the Stretch, even though he had a mic because he was dropping F bombs like crazy, goes to prove my point

[Rokeby Forever]

As for Roke fighting with someone other than me... FOS, Michael, BRogers and I'm blanking on the last person I saw but it was that thread about Evansville Slew/Sweetsouthernsaint have all been sucked into his crap at one time or another. Most of them exhibit better self-control than me and bail out after a couple of posts.

FOS, Brogers, Michael, and Horsenuts? FOS...have we ever had a cross word, and/or have we generally agreed about EVERYTHING? Brogers...any namecalling between us, or do most posts start, "Good day..."? Michael - did we agree on the vet's list yesterday? Horsenuts...do we discuss, or are you chased away? The SSS/Evansville Slew with Halo contains Brisnet data and discussion about it...point out a cross word.

Sam - you've gone from being a liar to becoming a pathological one. You're the only one here that starts crap and it's been proven over and over.

Your idea of discussing is to tell posters to not change the parameters of a subject, which you've been proven to do yourself. And you call other posters racists for using the EXACT terminology that you use. Bipolar?

Truly pathetic!

[Sam]

uh.. yeah I do watch more races than anyone here (more than likely).

<snip>

and I can probably tell you more about Australian Racing than most people as I watch their card at least 5 nights a week.

10-15 years from now, you'll be able to see why those two statements are pissing people off now.

At 24 I've been though alot more than people half my age.

I think you meant TWICE your age -- most 12yos don't go through hardships beyond a months grounding.

As for the rest of it, honey, you REALLY do not want to try and compare battle scars with me. I wear mine proudly, the physical and emotional ones, because I'm still here. Being homeless was the easiest thing I put up with at 24.

I will admit that I haven't been here very long, and anything that rok has done, espically that has been deleted and because I'm mixed myself would strike a very close chord to home.

Count yourself lucky, seriously.

[Sam]

and I see you amougs throwing a party because I picked the wrong horse

WRONG, which is why I've told you -- repeatedly -- to go back and read the thread again. NO WHERE, in this thread or any other, will you find me gloating about you having picked the wrong horse. The closest you will find is my posting about Helsinki beating Sightseeing and how I was going to have a good laugh. That was more about Helsinki finishing in the money at all than about him beating a horse you picked.

I just don't appricate the fact that I opened up my firefox and see a party going on to my demise that you started

Go back and read this thread from the begining, boy. I did NOT take ANY shots at you for picking a loser. That's not my style. You keep saying you don't post shit unless you can back it up -- prove it. Find a post I made laughing at you for picking a loser. It doesn't exist.

My posts to this thread were two posts about Helsinki before the race, a couple of posts about EoD being a fraud as a racehorse and a sire, a response to Sue telling her to give up on trying to get Roke to admit he was wrong, my pointing out to you that there was a difference between attacking THE HORSE by saying he's "Just not that damned good" and stating you thought he offered no value as a wager and Sightseeing was the best chance to beat him and this idiocy of the last few pages.

my point of the whole thread was SS is was in deep water

And the TVG boys were right -- if this had been the Wednesday feature at Bay Meadows... NO ONE would have been wasting their time trying to beat Street Sense.

[Sam]

*stupid POS connection*

[Rokeby Forever]

As for Roke fighting with someone other than me... FOS, Michael, BRogers and I'm blanking on the last person I saw but it was that thread about Evansville Slew/Sweetsouthernsaint have all been sucked into his crap at one time or another. Most of them exhibit better self-control than me and bail out after a couple of posts.

OK, let's go to the thread where all these people appear:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... 0&start=60

Find a cross word that chased ANYONE away - if you can't, then you're just a fuckin' liar. That's all there is to it.

[Rokeby Forever]

NO WHERE, in this thread or any other, will you find me gloating about you having picked the wrong horse.

No BDW, she'll just accuse me of never admitting that Sightseeing wasn't as good as I thought she was...which is what I did before she wrote that I wouldn't. Because she's a LIAR! The proof is on the previous page in this thread. Just a baiting liar! I don't see how this can be tolerated with the rules that Roguelet has set down.

[bdw0617]

and actually I don't care about the gloating, that's good natured all in fun games, I get that. But acting like you just toppled the Berlin wall? I mean come on

[Sam]

and actually I don't care about the gloating, that's good natured all in fun games, I get that. But acting like you just toppled the Berlin wall? I mean come on

Find a post where I even come close. That's twice now you've accused me of doing something I didn't. PROVE it or STFU. I go out of my way not gloat, I will even chew others out for doing it (as I did to Maven when she was bagging on Roke) because it's childish. It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ear and going "neener, neener, neener."

You say you won't let something go uncalled, that's all I did when I repeatedly pointed out there was a difference between you saying Street Sense "Just isn't that damn good a horse" or an "above average horse no one will challenge" and taking a stand against him because he offered no value in a wager.

You were attacking the horse, then changed your tune to saying you bet against him because, in your expert wisdom, he offered no valued (which any idiot knows, we don't really need you to tell us there's no real value in a 1-5 shot to win).

Get off the cross, boy. You're no martyr. You got what you gave and nothing less.

[Rokeby Forever]

PROVE it or STFU.

You were asked to do that 4 posts above...and you couldn't. So, in the future, you STFU, you liar!

[bdw0617]

and actually I don't care about the gloating, that's good natured all in fun games, I get that. But acting like you just toppled the Berlin wall? I mean come on

Find a post where I even come close. That's twice now you've accused me of doing something I didn't. PROVE it or STFU. I go out of my way not gloat, I will even chew others out for doing it (as I did to Maven when she was bagging on Roke) because it's childish. It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ear and going "neener, neener, neener."

You say you won't let something go uncalled, that's all I did when I repeatedly pointed out there was a difference between you saying Street Sense "Just isn't that damn good a horse" or an "above average horse no one will challenge" and taking a stand against him because he offered no value in a wager.

You were attacking the horse, then changed your tune to saying you bet against him because, in your expert wisdom, he offered no valued (which any idiot knows, we don't really need you to tell us there's no real value in a 1-5 shot to win).

Get off the cross, boy. You're no martyr. You got what you gave and nothing less.

so if I take USC to loose to say, Nebraska (which isn't going to happen BTW but let's say I did) am I attacking USC? Do I HATE USC with all my heart?

we've been down this road before. I'm a horse racing fan. I like some other horses more than others. just because I don't think SS is going to win doesn't equate ATTACKING.

another "issue" I see here, and it's pretty unique to this site, is that you have alot of industry people, conversing with FANS, which can lead to well....this. I can see how a breeder would take my remarks out of line, that I HATE Street Sense and I am ATTACKING him, but that's just the horse racing (sport) fan in me. I don't hate the horse. I don't hate ANY horse. I love horses, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be as happy as I am to become apart of this game on that side of the business.


lol, Sam, you have to understand that when I say I like a horse or hate a horse, besides a few races like War chant's BC Mile win, Read the Footnotes win in the fountain of youth, etc, it's from a strictly ROI perspective.

I don't HATE street sense, LMAO. I HATE 1/4 on a fav that has too many questions. I don't HATE Any Given Saturday, even though he's trained by pletcher, I just didn't see the value at thoose odds.

When I said I LOVED curlin, and I do like the horse, he has made an impression on me, what I was REALLY reffering to was the ODDS I knew I was going to get in the preakness even after a horrid trip in the derby.



when I say something along the lines of, Lava man is overrated (which I would never say, at least not in thoose exact words), I can see how the FAN can relate from a handicapping point of view, which is all I'm coming at, and how someone as yourself, who comes in from a totally different angle, can look at that exact same remark, and think I honeslty hate the horse.

Because this isn't my forum and I wasn't the first member here, I will keep that in mind from here on out.


At the end of the day for me to call anyone who has as much knowledge as someone like yourself, maven or anyone here older than I am "ignorant" about anything, just like it's silly for you or anyone else to tell me I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to handicapping.

And again, if I had to pick the winner 10 more times I would come up with Sightseeing 10 more times. I didn't handicap the race wrong, it just didnt' play out like I handicapped it.

I will say, I did go over your post and I do apologize about saying that you were gloating, you weren't. I stepped over the line with that one.


anyway, I'm done (seriously this time)