Big Brown Stud Fee: $65,000. Wow!!

[Worksoplad]

I really can't see how they could set his fee that high.

[KMO_racing]

I would like to know how they justifiey that fee. I think it should be at $30,000-$40,000 at the end of the world

[LB]

I would like to know how they justifiey that fee. I think it should be at $30,000-$40,000 at the end of the world

If breeders will pay it--and they will--then the fee is justified.

For a moment, remove all emotion from the equation and just look at Big Brown's race record. That's where the stud fee comes from.

[oliverstoned]

I would like to know how they justifiey that fee. I think it should be at $30,000-$40,000 at the end of the world

If breeders will pay it--and they will--then the fee is justified.

For a moment, remove all emotion from the equation and just look at Big Brown's race record. That's where the stud fee comes from.

Then look at his feet.......then look at his trainer.....then look at his pedigree......then look at his feet again.....then run, run as fast as you can!

[dray33]

You can breed for the dirt, you can breed for the turf, you can breed for the synthetics. You can breed milers, sprinters or routers.

But you had better start breeding away from juicers.

[Heidilady]

Y'all are kidding right? If this were last year he'd be starting out at $100,000. Why? Because. You'll say "but he's not worth it as a first year stallion" and the answer is of course not. Then, "that breeding is lousy for that kind of money"and again, you're right. Let's not forget "those feet are terrible" to which I reply no kidding. It hasn't made sense for many a stallion who started off that expensive. They charge it cuz they can. In this case we're getting BB on sale because the market's not so happy plus I'm sure prospective breeders know all the things you guys do. The market's not so dumb as to support BB at $100,000...consider it a sign of the apocalypse.

Yes the fee's stupid, yes it's illogical. It's also the a reduction from the price they were going to charge by a comparative bucket load from the expected full year of racing even if he had run in the Classic and done respectably. When the economy collapsed and he fell apart with the feet yet again in a high profile way, well they probably started the initial range about $80,000 like they said, then knocked it down $15,000. They will of course put the standard hush hush deals to make it worth it for some people who still won't pay that much, and there you go, a full book of mares. I personally feel Midnight Lute is the more exciting stallion prospect and given his price, well it's a steal. Three Chimneys isn't kidding, the days of the $100,000 are really not in the present. Of course it's laughable when you see $300,000 stallions dropped to $225,000. Well sign me up.

[TomFool]

He personally would not be for me but there are alot of not mes out there. I'm sure he will get sufficient support but he def looks like a prime candidate for a PA or NY stallion in a few years. I think dray has some very good advice about who to steer clear from in the breeding shed.

[ageecee]

[quote="oliverstoned"][quote="LB"][quote="Fanlew"]I would like to know how they justifiey that fee. I think it should be at $30,000-$40,000 at the end of the world[/quote]

If breeders will pay it--and they will--then the fee is justified.

For a moment, remove all emotion from the equation and just look at Big Brown's [u]race[/u] [u]record[/u]. That's where the stud fee comes from.[/quote]

[quote]Then look at his feet.......then look at his trainer.....then look at his pedigree......then look at his feet again.....then run, run as fast as you can![/quote][/quote]




Too funny..

[bdw0617]

well i will say this.. there will ALWAYS be a market for a horse that can get both surfaces, with legit classic speed and can legitlly get a classic distance. he has some things going for him.

[LB]

You can breed for the dirt, you can breed for the turf, you can breed for the synthetics. You can breed milers, sprinters or routers.

But you had better start breeding away from juicers.

If by juicers, you mean stallions that raced on steroids--which until very recently were legal in U.S racing--then you'd better not plan on breeding any mares this year or next. Because the vast majority of stallions currently standing at stud are unacceptable to you under those conditions. Dutrow had a big mouth, he talked about it. Other trainers knew enough to keep quiet, that was the only difference.

[dray33]

LB, you are right, of course. I guess it's easier to hope the stallion is clean as opposed to know it's not. I think it's a little trick I play inside my head. I would imagine, if the words came to me better, I could write down all the injustices done by cheating and doping horses that go far beyond taking money out of the pockets of those who play it fairly. When the era of 'roided horses is over, and those who cheat move on to the next thing, I hope the industry learned from the past and does everything in it's power to assure a level playing field. For owners and breeders, for fans and bettors. Mostly though, for the horses. The inter-generational damage we have done (drugs, breeding and training), all in the name of speed and winning, is staggering.

Big Brown? Probably no worse than the others. And 65k is a sure sign of the times. If ever there was a time to close ranks and save every dollar you can, this is it.

[BenB]

BB could not have one run overhere, because of the juicing etc.

I do not get it if there should be one owner sending one single mare to him no matter his fee.
It would be a complete denying of the juicing etc.

It is quite obvious to me why the percentage of break downs are the highest in the states.
The breeding, the tracks and the rigorous training methods aside med,s
and pure drugs

Call me stupid, iam just a european you know

[madelyn]

My stallion never raced on steroids. They have never been legal in Argentina. In fact he never raced on any medications at all - except a couple of races at the end of his career when a US trainer gave him Lasix. The stallions whose career was run mainly in Europe probably did not run on steroids. There are some trainers who do not use steroids. You CAN breed mares to horses that were drug free. You just have to be selective. A horse who had a very long career - and ran on steroids - is likely to have fertility problems so in a way that cures itself. Maybe that is one reason they yank 'em off the track young with a few high profile wins. You can't juice forever and keep fertility.

[Dave C]

Given his reported purchase price in the spring, 65k is a major concession to the new market realities and I can respect them for realizing 100k+ is no longer an option. Personally, I think any fee higher than 25k for an unproven sire is overpriced regardless of his race record, but as long as the market is willing to pay it I don't begrudge them asking it. The bottom line is that most racehorses (even super racehorses) end up being considered failures as stallions and BB isn't likely to beat the odds.

[Shergar]

Lets send every Unbridled Song mare available to BB.

That should give a boost to the economy. For Vets and Blacksmiths!

Shergar