What is the race classification "Clm 15000B" mean?

[NOKYCARD]

Specifically, the "B".

Aqueduct's 5th race on 4-14 is this classification, per the pp's in the DRF.

I used to think it meant horses who had been beaten sometime in the past when running for the listed claiming price or lower. But there are 2 horses in this race that don't meet what I thought the criteria were.

Hot and Bothered has lost for a $7500 tag on Feb 15, but strangely, that was for "Clm 7500B", and prior to that race, he had never lost for less than $20,000, so why was he even eligible for that race? So maybe it means that they've been beaten in ANY claiming race?

The same thing applies to Red Hot Baby. She lost in a "Clm 15000B" in her last out Nov. 15, but prior to that, had only one loss in a claiming race, and that was for a $35,000 tag.

Then you have Sezzana, who ran in a "Clm 15000B" Jan 17, but had NEVER LOST WHEN RUNNING FOR A TAG prior to that race.

The condition book for that race says:
"Four Years Old and Upward foaled in New York State
and approved by the New York State-Bred Registry Which Have Never Won Three Races or Four Year Olds."

Doesn't this say that a 4yo is eligible no matter how many wins she might have, but 5 and up are not eligible if they've won 3 times? What's the purpose of a condition like this, and what the heck does it have to do with the "B" which stands for "beaten"?

So what the heck is "Clm 15000B"?

[Hold Your Peace]

Specifically, the "B".

Aqueduct's 5th race on 4-14 is this classification, per the pp's in the DRF.

I used to think it meant horses who had been beaten sometime in the past when running for the listed claiming price or lower. But there are 2 horses in this race that don't meet what I thought the criteria were.

Hot and Bothered has lost for a $7500 tag on Feb 15, but strangely, that was for "Clm 7500B", and prior to that race, he had never lost for less than $20,000, so why was he even eligible for that race? So maybe it means that they've been beaten in ANY claiming race?

The same thing applies to Red Hot Baby. She lost in a "Clm 15000B" in her last out Nov. 15, but prior to that, had only one loss in a claiming race, and that was for a $35,000 tag.

Then you have Sezzana, who ran in a "Clm 15000B" Jan 17, but had NEVER LOST WHEN RUNNING FOR A TAG prior to that race.

The condition book for that race says:
"Four Years Old and Upward foaled in New York State
and approved by the New York State-Bred Registry Which Have Never Won Three Races or Four Year Olds."

Doesn't this say that a 4yo is eligible no matter how many wins she might have, but 5 and up are not eligible if they've won 3 times? What's the purpose of a condition like this, and what the heck does it have to do with the "B" which stands for "beaten"?

So what the heck is "Clm 15000B"?

Towards the end you're on the right track. The "beaten claiming" condition denoted by the B after the claiming price has nothing to do with what prices they've run at in the past or how they performed at a certain price. As you concluded, the race you mentioned is open to any 4yo but is only open to horses older than four who have not won three races lifetime.

[NOKYCARD]

Thanks for your response. I still wonder about the use of the letter "B" to describe this condition, and the use and background source of the terminology "beaten claimer". Or is the terminology "beaten claimer" even correct?

Thanks for any help on this question.

[reenci]

yes it means "beaten claimer's"

[NOKYCARD]

The 5th race at Aqueduct on Wednesday the 14th is shown in the DRF pp's as a "Clm 15000B".

If that restricts horses that have lost, ie "been beaten", when running in a claiming race, then why is the 2nd entrant, Got Clearance, eligible? She's never even run for a tag, so how can she be a "beaten claimer"?

And the 8th entrant, Sezzana, ran in a Clm 15000B last January, and she had never run for a tag at that time. So how was she eligible?

I'm still unclear as to what the eligibility requirements are for a "beaten claimer" race.

[reenci]

see im sure it means...beaten claimers that have not won a race since a date for a specific claiming price.

[NOKYCARD]

If it means "have not won a race since a date for a specific claiming price", note that no date or claiming price is mentioned in the condition book for the Aqueduct race I'm referring to.

The condition book just says:
"Four Years Old and Upward foaled in New York State
and approved by the New York State-Bred Registry Which Have Never Won Three Races or Four Year Olds."

Note that Sezzana won 3 races back in Jan for $15,000, the 5th entry, Picnic Rock won for $15,000 in her last race, less than one month ago, and the 1st entry, Stratton's Girl won for $15,000 3 start back and less than 3 months ago.

I still don't understand how "beaten claimers" is applied to eligibility, as it clearly isn't "non-winner's of a race since a date for a specific claiming price", at least as it applies to this race.

[majxmom]

Here's the full conditions:

CLAIMING $15,000

Purse $18,000. For Fillies And Mares Four Years Old And Upward Foaled In New York State And Approved By The New York State-Bred Registry Which Have Never Won Three Races Or Four Year Olds. Weight, 123 Lbs. Non-winners of two races since February 14 Allowed 3 Lbs. A Race Since Then Allowed 5 Lbs. Claiming Price $15,000 (Races where entered for $10,000 or less not considered). Six Furlongs.

The B represents the entry condition, since it is too much to print in the small space. I never heard of it being "beaten claimers" but maybe that's true for the NY bred in this race. It is not true for the 4yo of any other state breeding, who has no other condition than age. This is a strange condition, to me, since it clearly benefits the four year old out of state horse. A 4yo who is a good horse but hasn't run through his conditions can be entered against 4yo's and 5yo's that are already on their third claiming condition. We don't see races like this in CA. The racing secretary must be looking in his files and seeing a few 4yo's with out of state breeding that need a race written.

[majxmom]

So how was she eligible?

If you go back and read the full conditions for that race, and possibly they are identical to this race, you should see an "OR" condition like in this race which would mean that she qualified for the second half of the condition, such as here where they say "Or Four Year Olds," meaning any four year old not a NY bred that wants to enter for $15,000. Period. No clause about non-winners of three restricts that entry. So any 4yo with an owner willing to put her up for that price can be entered. Strictly speaking, the way that is written, I would think that ANY 4yo, including NY breds, can be entered for a straight $15k without any other qualifier, but then I can't figure out where the NY-bred condition would limit. Sometimes you have to be a local guy to figure out the local book.

[NOKYCARD]

Majxmom, thanks for your reply.

My reference to "beaten claimers" is actually right out of the Daily Racing Form's "Past Performance Explanation" page, in the "abbreviations for types of races" section.

Therein lies my confusion. I've seen the condition many times listed in a horses' past performance lines, but was never able to deduce a logical interpretation of what the condition meant. Was it a race for horses that have only beaten claiming horses? A race for horses that have been beaten in one or more, or some specific level of, claiming level? I could never answer that question by examining the entrants and their racing records from the past performances.

Now I've only recently been looking at condition books, as I'm a new owner. But using the 5th race at Aqueduct on 4-14 as an example, the conditions as written do not appear to have anything to do with "beaten claimers". Yet the Racing Form shows the race as a Clm 15000B.

I'm still confused.

[majxmom]

Well, that's a poser if you say it is actually on the DRF tutorial. I've never seen that on any CA past performance. Someone told me that he's seen it at TuP. I presume that the B condition is something that is used mostly on the East Coast, like we usually refer to a work in CA as "handily" and on the East Coast it almost always is referred to as "breezing." As to the beaten claimers, I can't seen anything in that condition precluding a horse that has run in last place every time from entering (been beaten by claimers, but never beat a claimer), nor can I read anything that would stop a horse that was 2-for-2 from entering (beat every claimer, never been beaten by a claimer). ??? Anybody else got any ideas?

[fletch621]

My understanding is that a claiming race has no conditions other than age and sex... ex. Claiming $4000 for 3yo and upward. Beaten Claiming always has some sort of extra condition such as non winners since a certain date or non winners of three races lifetime... things like that. At least that is how it is in the Prairie Meadows condition book.

[NOKYCARD]

Still confused. I see many races listed in pp lines as Clm 5000N4L, which must obviously mean "non-winners of 4 lifetime".

So the listing Clm 5000B is something different than at least NL4. And though I can't say for certain from my memory, I believe I've also seen other conditions applied to claiming races, like N3Y, NMile, etc.

[UmmYeah]

I've always felt that the "B" is a shorthand catch-all for a race with multiple conditions. For instance, going back to the example from the actual conditions, it's that "or four-year olds" part that makes it a "B". Without that extra condition, it would be listed as $15000CL N3L.

I often see races carded as non-winners of a race since a certain date, and DRF will abbreviate as N1Y. But sometimes, the condition will be non-winners of a race since that date OR non-winners of three lifetime, and that's when the race will get the "B".

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong...

[fletch621]

I believe you are correct, UmmYeah.