LUCKY CHAPPY --- a very very roaned case!!
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Sylvie Hebert wrote:A stallion i mentionned here once is a rabicano registred as a chestnut name is Carpe Demon...
Some pictures here:
http://ecuriedusecondruisseau.webs.com/ ... odline.htm
but I don't see any white hairs. Must be minimal. Pretty though.
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It could be real roan, but it would have to be a new mutation of it. I know that sounds far fetched, but actually mutations on that particular locus (the KIT region) are very, very, very common and as such it is very possible this could indeed be a new mutation of roan. I would still consider it unlikely, but definitely possible.
Regardless of what is causing it chances are high (IMO) he will pass it on. Whether it is extensive as his or not will be the question.
Did we ever determine what his tail head looked like?? I'll have to go back and read through again.
Regardless of what is causing it chances are high (IMO) he will pass it on. Whether it is extensive as his or not will be the question.
Did we ever determine what his tail head looked like?? I'll have to go back and read through again.
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From this thread:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/post ... e&p=267757
Would really like to see HAPPY CHAPPY being bred to LAVENDER FIELDS
(shown below)
or to other “genuine-roan-looking” female descendants from CATCH A BIRD.
It is well known that CATCH A BIRD sired:
ODD COLOURS (bay m 1992) http://www.pedigreequery.com/odd+colours and
SLIP CATCH (bay mare 1993) http://www.pedigreequery.com/slip+catch
(CATCH A BIRD also sired two additional “genuine-roan-looking” males, namely
RED NOBLE (bay gelding 1996) http://www.pedigreequery.com/red+noble3 and
GOLDHILL PARK (bay h 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/goldhill+park )
The complete list includes the following “genuine-roan-looking” examples:
01. GOLDHILL PARK (Bay H 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/goldhill+park
02. IN THE HAND (Gray or Brown 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/in+the+hand3
03. LILAC HILL (Bay M 2000) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lilac+hill2
04. RED NOBLE (Bay G 1996) http://www.pedigreequery.com/red+noble3
05. WHISTLE DOWN (Chestnut H 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/whistle+down2
06. “by CATCH A BIRD—BENDING STAR” (Bay M 1997)
her dam’s pedigree at http://www.pedigreequery.com/bending+star
07. WILD DOVE (Bay M 1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/wild+dove3
08. SLIP CATCH (Bay M 1993) http://www.pedigreequery.com/slip+catch
09. TURFSIDE STAR (Bay H 1998) http://www.pedigreequery.com/turfside+star
10. FLOYD (Chestnut H 2004) http://www.pedigreequery.com/floyd5
11. BLETCH CATCH (Bay M 2005) http://www.pedigreequery.com/bletch+catch
12. LAVENDER FIELDS (roan) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lavender+fields
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/post ... e&p=267757
Would really like to see HAPPY CHAPPY being bred to LAVENDER FIELDS
(shown below)
RiddleMeThis wrote:Lavender Fields at her third trial
or to other “genuine-roan-looking” female descendants from CATCH A BIRD.
It is well known that CATCH A BIRD sired:
ODD COLOURS (bay m 1992) http://www.pedigreequery.com/odd+colours and
SLIP CATCH (bay mare 1993) http://www.pedigreequery.com/slip+catch
(CATCH A BIRD also sired two additional “genuine-roan-looking” males, namely
RED NOBLE (bay gelding 1996) http://www.pedigreequery.com/red+noble3 and
GOLDHILL PARK (bay h 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/goldhill+park )
The complete list includes the following “genuine-roan-looking” examples:
01. GOLDHILL PARK (Bay H 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/goldhill+park
02. IN THE HAND (Gray or Brown 1994) http://www.pedigreequery.com/in+the+hand3
03. LILAC HILL (Bay M 2000) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lilac+hill2
04. RED NOBLE (Bay G 1996) http://www.pedigreequery.com/red+noble3
05. WHISTLE DOWN (Chestnut H 1999) http://www.pedigreequery.com/whistle+down2
06. “by CATCH A BIRD—BENDING STAR” (Bay M 1997)
her dam’s pedigree at http://www.pedigreequery.com/bending+star
07. WILD DOVE (Bay M 1997) http://www.pedigreequery.com/wild+dove3
08. SLIP CATCH (Bay M 1993) http://www.pedigreequery.com/slip+catch
09. TURFSIDE STAR (Bay H 1998) http://www.pedigreequery.com/turfside+star
10. FLOYD (Chestnut H 2004) http://www.pedigreequery.com/floyd5
11. BLETCH CATCH (Bay M 2005) http://www.pedigreequery.com/bletch+catch
12. LAVENDER FIELDS (roan) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lavender+fields
Correction: LUCKY CHAPPY (dkb/br colt 2009) http://www.pedigreequery.com/lucky+chappy
--- rather than HAPPY CHAPPY!
--- rather than HAPPY CHAPPY!
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Most (if not all, I didn't look) are from Catch A Bird who sired the only 4 known roan phenotypes in the history of the thoroughbred. They produce like true roan. He was not a roan but probably threw a mutation. Unfortunately he was owned by a nutcase when he was breeding and no testing was done on him or those foals. This is how new colors often get started though, a mutation.
Otherwise the JC will often register anything ticked as roan. And sometimes they will register it as the base color. There is no rhyme or reason. Calling them roan doesn't make them so just as calling a rose grey a roan didn't make them one either.
At least two of the roans are in the hands of a race breeder in Australia. I wish someone could buy one and import it up here.
Otherwise the JC will often register anything ticked as roan. And sometimes they will register it as the base color. There is no rhyme or reason. Calling them roan doesn't make them so just as calling a rose grey a roan didn't make them one either.
At least two of the roans are in the hands of a race breeder in Australia. I wish someone could buy one and import it up here.
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summerhorse wrote:At least two of the roans are in the hands of a race breeder in Australia. I wish someone could buy one and import it up here.
Who knows if someone brings one of these mares to America and this "sui-generis" roan-looking coat color may be achieved and preserved on this side of the Atlantic. Well... Lucky Chappy seems like a good talented candidate for achieving this.