Keeneland April Sale: Top sellers earn only 11% of prices

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Keeneland April Sale: Top sellers earn only 11% of prices

Postby Barcaldine » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:15 pm

(Name) (Keeneland sale Price) (Career earnings) (Consignor) (Purchaser)

1999

LOCHLIN SLEW $1,250,000 unraced M. W. Miller B. W Hughes
ROYAL JUBILATION 300,000 unraced Sequel T VanDerHyde
HERA 300,000 93,000 E Woods Peppertree
VAIL MOUNTAIN 300,000 110,000 Kirkwood Full Circle

2000

ALLAROUNDTHEWORD 825,000 900 Hartley/DeRenzo O'Byrne
LOVE ME DEARLY 500,000 unraced DeMeric Oxley
RACH THREE 400,000 86,000 J Bailey Narvick
E. W. CAT 400,000 500 M. W. Miller BTA Stb

2001


SWADESHI 650,000 43,000 Wavertree Narvick
SALT CAVE 400,000 35,000 DeMeric E Melnyk
RAMPANT ROLL 400,000 13,000 M. Smith Centennial
TERESA ANN 400,000 61,000 J Bailey P Reddam

2002

TO TERAS 850,000 unraced Scanlon Darby Dan
PRAY FOR ACES 750,000 49,000 Kirkwood Oxley
STELLAR 700,000 164,000 Brennan O'Byrne
GOLDEN PENNY 650,000 67,000 Bowling/Dodd Robert Lewis

2003

WORK 950,000 53,000 M. Smith M & M
VENCER 850,000 48,000 Kirkwood Fleetwood
COURAGEOUS KING 700,000 135,000 Wavertree Wesley Ward
SNAPPED UP 600,000 46,000 Brennan P Reddam

2004
CHEKHOV 3,300,000 194,000 Brennan O'Byrne
BRAZILIAN 500,000 93,000 Scanlon John Fort
DESERT BREEZE 450,000 74,000 Brennan David Moore

2005

STRONG CONTENDER 800,000 618,000 M. Smith Oxley
JEZAWI 500,000 35,000 Scanlon Shadwell
MILK CROWN 500,000 146,000 E Woods Shadai

2006

DAY PASS 725,000 101,000 Kirkwood Darley
FOREST OF DREAMS 600,000 60,000 M Miller Centennial
SEQUOIA ONE 575,000 unraced Woods Stonestreet

2007

PATRICIA'S GEM 1,750,000 192,000 Hartley/DeRenzo B W Hughes
SAGAPONACK 525,000 78,000 Wavertree J Frankel
PHANTOM STRIKE 440,000 76,000 Brennan A Kirkwood

2008

DON GATO 800,000 12,000 Hartley/DeRenzo M Guseynov
COGNITO 700,000 161,000 Brennan Stonestreet
POSITION A 675,000 284,000 Kirkwood B W Hughes

2009

TAKE CONTROL 1,900,000 27,000 E Woods Kaleem Shah
DICKINSON BAY 530,000 unraced Brennan Steven Young
DEVON ROCK 440,000 111,000 Leprechaun Centennial

2010

MALIBU STAR 575,000 unraced Wavertree Yoshida
MAJESTIC MAN 525,000 34,000 Woods Oxley
GREEN DIAMOND LADY 525,000 25,000 Woods Prime Equest.

2011

IRBYWOOD 625,000 6,000 Hartley/DeRenzo Stonestreet
WHARTON 485,000 28,000 Wavertree Stonestreet
SUMMER FRONT 475,000 126,000 N Brennan Steven Young
IJIGEN 400,000 0 N Brennan Lake Villa Farm
STAT 400,000 97,000 De Meric Steven Young
THE BEAR VOW 375,000 58,000 Eddie Woods Bear Stables
CATHY'S CORNBREAD 335,000 2,500 Wavertree Justice Family


TOTALS

SOLD (48 ) $31.902,000
EARNED 3,428,000

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Postby bayrabicano » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:15 pm

Wow. That makes me happy that I'm not rich enough to buy a sale topper and lose 89% of my money...or make that 100+% because you have to count the expense of training. It would be fun to see where these horses are now, like...

Broodmare, producer of _____horses, ______to race,_______winners and earnings of $______.
Stallion, gelded and sold as a kids horse
Stallion, standing at __________, producer of __________earnings
etc.,etc....
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Postby TrueColours » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:32 pm

Wow! What an eye opener! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Postby Toccet02 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:51 pm

In my fantasy stable tracking spreadsheets, I've looked at what price range gives me the greatest ROI... it always seems to be around a $70-75K purchase.
Plus, definitely those who cost the most start later and far less often.
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Postby tbrace » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Genetics much less important than the individual.

Tesio was right.

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Postby Fireslam » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:18 am

Summer Front, undefeated in 3 starts, including 2 stakes races, working forwardly for comeback. Fair to say his value exceeds purchase price right now.

Stat, broke his maiden first time out, ran 2nd in the Three Chimneys Saratoga Special, ran in Arkansas Derby yesterday, off the board. Would think he isnt done with his racing career.

Ijigen has been exported to Japan.

The Bear Vow is still a maiden, tho he did run second in the Colin stakes.

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Postby Fireslam » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:31 am

You conveniently left off the Keeneland sale topper in 2010, happened to be Wilburn who earned over $500,000 and is a very popular first year stallion. His purchase price, $625,000.

Malibu Star was exported to Japan, has earned $130,000 to date.

Green Diamond Lady, even tho a winner, has residual value being a filly by Johannesburg-Spain.

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Postby FiftyYearsPlus » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:53 pm

Even among the top sires, 30% of the foals will never start, and 50% of the foals will never win a race at any level.
Many of the big trainers that these yearlings go to also have big junkyardsl

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Postby tbrace » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:49 pm

You have got to love those 2 yo sales - they're great, just read the ads about them. Just don't look at the facts.

Breezing yearlings, then 2yos in 10 and change doesn't hurt a thing.


Talk about big junk yards, - explore carefully about any 2y0 consignor. One in ten, on a good year.

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Postby dray33 » Sat May 05, 2012 9:13 pm

I'll Have Another was bred in Kentucky by Harvey Clarke and purchased out of Eisaman Equine consignment by Doug O'Neill's brother, Dennis, at the 2011 Ocala Breeders' Sales Company's April Sale of 2-year-olds in training for $35,000.

And winner of the 2012 G1 Kentucky Derby.

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Postby Fireslam » Sun May 06, 2012 8:25 am

Bodemeister worked 10.2 at the Fasig Tipton Palm Meadows sale last year, but was a scratch before going thru the ring.

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Postby Barcaldine » Sun May 06, 2012 8:36 am

I always get a kick reading posts from pinhookers and their cohorts about the occasional star sold by one of them. It's kind of like listening to a chronic gambler telling his wife that he hit the Daily Double but failing to disclose that he lost those winnings and more in the remaining races.

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Postby dray33 » Sun May 06, 2012 10:06 am

Looks like the top horses of this year were prepped for the 2YO sales. And if you think the stats for 2YO sales are bad, compare them with the yearling sales - if you really wanna fright.

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Postby Barcaldine » Sun May 06, 2012 10:53 am

The simple facts you pinhookers always ignore are that these few stars were almost always purchased at a greatly reduced price as yearlings--and that their racetrack success is in spite of---not because of--their insane sales prep at two.

It doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to figure out that there are so many miles in the tank and, if they are wasted on these warp-speed previews, they will have been spent before they are mature enough to fulfill their potential.

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Postby dray33 » Sun May 06, 2012 10:55 am

Not to mention the insane prep and pushing the babies get as yearlings to prep for those sales. It's just nasty all around.