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THE DIRECTOR (USA) dkb/br. C, 2007 DP = 10-2-8-0-0 (20) DI = 4.00 CD = 1.10 - 6 Starts, 1 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $26,150
Owner: Gardner, Martin, Haymes, Neil & Westside Rentals.com
Breeder: Marvin Delfiner, Ted Folkerth & Brookdale
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 6 Starts: 1 - 1 - 1, $26,150
Pulled up and Vanned off in Race 6 at Santa Anita on 1-22-2012.
Retired with a ligament injury on January 23, 2011. He will remain with his current ownership.
THE DIRECTOR br. C, 2007
Mr. Greeley---Arcadiana, by Deputy Minister
TD is a NFB bred from a Ph. over Ph. mating. TD was inbred 4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Native Dancer.
TD has 23 crosses of Ph. stallions & 13 crosses Ph. mares. TD has the same PH. FS & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries & breakdowns, they are:
Nearctic, Native Dancer 2 crosses, Nasrullah, Bold Ruler 2 crosses, Nashua, RAN, Secretariat, ND, Mr. P., Natalma, Gold Digger.
Mr. Greeley sire of TD is found in many tb of unsoundness. Mr. Greeley is Inbred 4 X 4 Native Dancer---4 X 5 X 5 Nasrullah---5 X 5 Polynesian---4 X 5 Bold Ruler, all Ph. stallions.
Owner: Gardner, Martin, Haymes, Neil & Westside Rentals.com
Breeder: Marvin Delfiner, Ted Folkerth & Brookdale
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 6 Starts: 1 - 1 - 1, $26,150
Pulled up and Vanned off in Race 6 at Santa Anita on 1-22-2012.
Retired with a ligament injury on January 23, 2011. He will remain with his current ownership.
THE DIRECTOR br. C, 2007
Mr. Greeley---Arcadiana, by Deputy Minister
TD is a NFB bred from a Ph. over Ph. mating. TD was inbred 4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 Native Dancer.
TD has 23 crosses of Ph. stallions & 13 crosses Ph. mares. TD has the same PH. FS & mares, that have contributed to the most injuries & breakdowns, they are:
Nearctic, Native Dancer 2 crosses, Nasrullah, Bold Ruler 2 crosses, Nashua, RAN, Secretariat, ND, Mr. P., Natalma, Gold Digger.
Mr. Greeley sire of TD is found in many tb of unsoundness. Mr. Greeley is Inbred 4 X 4 Native Dancer---4 X 5 X 5 Nasrullah---5 X 5 Polynesian---4 X 5 Bold Ruler, all Ph. stallions.
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These filly's & mares inherited their soundness from those NP sire lines. In there time frame those FB hadnt arrived.
Susan's Girl 63 starts---Swynford over Ph.
Lady Pitt 29 starts---Teddy over Swynford
Syrian Sea 26 starts---Ph. over Prince Rose
Shuvee 44 starts---Ph. over Prince Rose
Dark Mirage 27 starts---Swynford over Prince Rose
Cicada 66 starts---Swynford over Dark Ronald
Prides Profile 42 starts---Swynford over Teddy
Susan's Girl 63 starts---Swynford over Ph.
Lady Pitt 29 starts---Teddy over Swynford
Syrian Sea 26 starts---Ph. over Prince Rose
Shuvee 44 starts---Ph. over Prince Rose
Dark Mirage 27 starts---Swynford over Prince Rose
Cicada 66 starts---Swynford over Dark Ronald
Prides Profile 42 starts---Swynford over Teddy
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Didn't their dam lines have anything to do with it?
How can Phalaris mean nothing in one pedigree and be the doom monster in the next?
Susan's Girl, Syrian Sea and Shuvee all have Phalaris right there for us to see.
And this makes Secretariat automatically a non FB stallion, he's a full brother to Syrian Sea.
How can Phalaris mean nothing in one pedigree and be the doom monster in the next?
Susan's Girl, Syrian Sea and Shuvee all have Phalaris right there for us to see.
And this makes Secretariat automatically a non FB stallion, he's a full brother to Syrian Sea.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/sagawing 52 sts inbred to ph stalions and still running.
ElPrado wrote:Didn't their dam lines have anything to do with it?
How can Phalaris mean nothing in one pedigree and be the doom monster in the next?
Susan's Girl, Syrian Sea and Shuvee all have Phalaris right there for us to see.
And this makes Secretariat automatically a non FB stallion, he's a full brother to Syrian Sea.
Pesky details!
May 2013: Plan ahead now for the Phalaris/Teddy Centennial!
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A horse gallops with his lungs
Perseveres with his heart
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This is a 1965 Fashion Bred. But her progeny, none, but Ocozoal and Oso will be a FB, per Louises rules.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/patty11
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SAGAWING (GER) br. G, 2003
Winged Love---Sagami, by Greinton
SW is a type 2 FB, being inbred 4 X 5 ND---4 X 4 High Top---5 X 5 Derring-Do---5 X 5 Camenae mare=Rabelais
SW has prolific crosses of NP stalions & mares, they are:
Neckar, Parabola mare=Ticino
Herbager, Sea Hawk, Appiani, Star Appeal, Stammesart=Dark Ronald
Saint Crespin, Special mare, Angela Rucelli mare, Belle Affaire mare=Hyperion
Val de Loir, Pantoufel mare=Swynford
Tantieme, Reliance, La Senga mare, Flaming Page mare=Teddy
Charlottesville=Prince Rose
Camenae mare 2 crosses=Rabelais
Relance mare=Fair Play
Sly Pola mare=Peter Pan
Chandelier mare, Cygnet mare=Tourbillon
This type 2 FB mating has 24 crosses of NP stallions & mares. They bring soundness into this FB mating. We dont find this many crosses of NP stamina in our US FB, as our breeders are breeding for speed.
Winged Love---Sagami, by Greinton
SW is a type 2 FB, being inbred 4 X 5 ND---4 X 4 High Top---5 X 5 Derring-Do---5 X 5 Camenae mare=Rabelais
SW has prolific crosses of NP stalions & mares, they are:
Neckar, Parabola mare=Ticino
Herbager, Sea Hawk, Appiani, Star Appeal, Stammesart=Dark Ronald
Saint Crespin, Special mare, Angela Rucelli mare, Belle Affaire mare=Hyperion
Val de Loir, Pantoufel mare=Swynford
Tantieme, Reliance, La Senga mare, Flaming Page mare=Teddy
Charlottesville=Prince Rose
Camenae mare 2 crosses=Rabelais
Relance mare=Fair Play
Sly Pola mare=Peter Pan
Chandelier mare, Cygnet mare=Tourbillon
This type 2 FB mating has 24 crosses of NP stallions & mares. They bring soundness into this FB mating. We dont find this many crosses of NP stamina in our US FB, as our breeders are breeding for speed.
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Louis Finochio
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