I'll Have Another OUT

[madelyn]

My nasty little mind thinks that possibly a big stud fee deal came onto the horizon extremely recently, that might have had a clause reducing the deal if he LOST the Belmont. They executed the agreement, all parties signed.. and then pulled a really FAST one by scratching the horse. Just thinkin'

Could have been lots of things. My experience has generally been that whatever story is being told is the smoke and the reality of the situation is wildly different.

[ElPrado]

They don't say it's bowed. They said it was tendonitis. 2 different things. A bowed tendon is a serious injury. Tendonitis could be anything from slight swelling and a little ouchy to more serious swelling. If this is how they are doing it, I'd be more likely to believe the former.

[Kari]

I was just going to comment about how suprised I would be if the horse ran as a 4-year old, let alone after the Belmont. Sure makes that amazing stud fee theory seem real when they won't even consider a layoff.

[TJ]

They don't say it's bowed. They said it was tendonitis. 2 different things. A bowed tendon is a serious injury. Tendonitis could be anything from slight swelling and a little ouchy to more serious swelling. If this is how they are doing it, I'd be more likely to believe the former.

Hi El,
Yes and if you don't back off the horse it can become a full blown bow?? Especially if he runs off with the rider in the post parade. TJ

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index ... /90412.htm

[bdw0617]

wow.

[casallc]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

[TJ]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

Hi Cas,
I'm at a loss for words....did they just walk in the back gate, or does Madelyn's theory hold some serious water. TJ

[bdw0617]

maybe he just wasn't training well and o'neil knew he wouldn't win the race and pull the plug. if he wasn't going ot win the race his value would never be higher than it is now.


i love racing but sometimes it makes me hate it. this really sucks. i am not a big o'neil fan or even really an IHA fan but horse racing deserves better than this.

[casallc]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

Hi Cas,
I'm at a loss for words....did they just walk in the back gate, or does Madelyn's theory hold some serious water. TJ

I doubt that anyone would make a multi-million dollar stud deal and not have all the details worked out. Contrary to the movies, a handshake won't do when you are talking about money like that.

I'd retire him too if I owned him. He has a pretty good record and it could go south quick with the injury. From today forward it is all hype and marketing.

[TJ]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

Hi Cas,
I'm at a loss for words....did they just walk in the back gate, or does Madelyn's theory hold some serious water. TJ

I doubt that anyone would make a multi-million dollar stud deal and not have all the details worked out. Contrary to the movies, a handshake won't do when you are talking about money like that.

I'd retire him too if I owned him. He has a pretty good record and it could go south quick with the injury. From today forward it is all hype and marketing.

Hi Cas,
No doubt about retiring him and I don't think I saw that movie you were talking about:>). But why the in the world would they use the horse to pony the Belmont field to the post? The horse comes first and they are simply risking additional injury putting weight on his back going to the post as if he is going to any one of his other races....the horse will be on the muscle....then they will bring him back to the barn high as a kite and he could end up injuring himself in the stall...it's basic common sense horsemanship....and they are supposed to be professionals? I know I'll Have Another is a calm horse....bomb proof and all that...but a fit and ready TC contender thinking he's going to run and doesn't will be over the top when he goes back to the barn. TJ

[casallc]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

Hi Cas,
I'm at a loss for words....did they just walk in the back gate, or does Madelyn's theory hold some serious water. TJ

I doubt that anyone would make a multi-million dollar stud deal and not have all the details worked out. Contrary to the movies, a handshake won't do when you are talking about money like that.

I'd retire him too if I owned him. He has a pretty good record and it could go south quick with the injury. From today forward it is all hype and marketing.

Hi Cas,
No doubt about retiring him and I don't think I saw that movie you were talking about:>). But why the in the world would they use the horse to pony the Belmont field to the post? The horse comes first and they are simply risking additional injury putting weight on his back going to the post as if he is going to any one of his other races....the horse will be on the muscle....then they will bring him back to the barn high as a kite and he could end up injuring himself in the stall...it's basic common sense horsemanship....and they are supposed to be professionals? I know I'll Have Another is a calm horse....bomb proof and all that...but a fit and ready TC contender thinking he's going to run and doesn't will be over the top when he goes back to the barn. TJ

The horse comes first? You don't think Belmont is not 100% behind the parade? Can't you see the irony and the hypocrisy in this? After they make asses out of themselves trying to make an example out of O'Neill, they disregard the horse in order to make the show bigger - exposing themselves as even bigger asses. The media loves it, the track won't suffer as bad as they would if the horse just scratched and shipped out and all the pretty pony folks will see how heroic the injured horse is. The majority of the public will fall for it.

You can see just how caring people are when it is their money on the line. Make no mistake IHA will be tranquilized and filled with pain medications with the blessing of the powers that be. I can wrap a leg that will be as stable Rock of Gibraltar that could stand up to a collision with a Mack truck, I'm sure O'Neill and his crew can too. The weight of the jock is nothing. In order to pull off the show they might fill the jock with helium since he won't have another ride.

I hope they do it - the horse is through racing and it will give me ammunition to call the racing establishment for the phony bastards they are.

[ratherrapid]

my take is that the injury might be very minor. they seem to be describing it that way. how many times have i felt a tendon a little bit squishy that three days later it's totally tight and the horse is back in training. Trouble is, you never know and they have yet to precisely describe the scan results.

to believe the conspiracy theories seems to me u have to underestimate these connections quite a bit. Would anyone have been looking forward more to winning the TC than Paul Redam and Doug O'Neill? If it were otherwise, doubtful to me they'd even be in racing.

the training and prep of the horse and probable cause of the injury is another matter and open to criticism, imo.

[zinn21]

Quite a circus.... Guess nowadays you have to feed the media beast with whatever is left on the table. In my life I cannot recall an injured horse parading in post for a race he was scratched in...

[TJ]

Are you ready for this one....they are sending I'll Have Another to lead the field on to the track for the Belmont Stakes...what is wrong with these people! What if he gets spooked...dumps the rider and runs off....even if that doesn't happen....does he need more pressure on that tendon?? TJ

What better time for a little poetic justice (from O'Neill's standpoint). Load the horse up on pain killers and tranqulizers and parade him right under their noses - and get by with it! I wonder how the powers that be at Belmont & NY will spin this monumental boondoggle.

Hi Cas,
I'm at a loss for words....did they just walk in the back gate, or does Madelyn's theory hold some serious water. TJ

I doubt that anyone would make a multi-million dollar stud deal and not have all the details worked out. Contrary to the movies, a handshake won't do when you are talking about money like that.

I'd retire him too if I owned him. He has a pretty good record and it could go south quick with the injury. From today forward it is all hype and marketing.

Hi Cas,
No doubt about retiring him and I don't think I saw that movie you were talking about:>). But why the in the world would they use the horse to pony the Belmont field to the post? The horse comes first and they are simply risking additional injury putting weight on his back going to the post as if he is going to any one of his other races....the horse will be on the muscle....then they will bring him back to the barn high as a kite and he could end up injuring himself in the stall...it's basic common sense horsemanship....and they are supposed to be professionals? I know I'll Have Another is a calm horse....bomb proof and all that...but a fit and ready TC contender thinking he's going to run and doesn't will be over the top when he goes back to the barn. TJ

The horse comes first? You don't think Belmont is not 100% behind the parade? Can't you see the irony and the hypocrisy in this? After they make asses out of themselves trying to make an example out of O'Neill, they disregard the horse in order to make the show bigger - exposing themselves as even bigger asses. The media loves it, the track won't suffer as bad as they would if the horse just scratched and shipped out and all the pretty pony folks will see how heroic the injured horse is. The majority of the public will fall for it.

You can see just how caring people are when it is their money on the line. Make no mistake IHA will be tranquilized and medicated with pain medications with the blessing of the powers that be. I can wrap a leg that will be as stable Rock of Gibraltar that could stand up to a collision with a Mack truck, I'm sure O'Neill and his crew can too. The weight of the jock is nothing. In order to pull off the show they might fill the jock with helium since he won't have another ride.

I hope they do it - the horse is through racing and it will give me ammunition to call the racing establishment for the phony bastards they are.

Hi Cas,
All the medication in the world and applying a perfect set of vetwrap's on the horse won't stop a tear or weakness in his tendon sheath from getting a bit bigger or more inflamed just by having weight on his back and prancing around....if he runs off or throws the rider and get's loose that sheath will definitely tear. Only a fool would risk further injury to his horse by doing something so ridiculous....what vet or decent horseman for that matter would think this is the right treatment for a horse you have just diagnosed with tendinitis?? TJ

[TJ]

my take is that the injury might be very minor. they seem to be describing it that way. how many times have i felt a tendon a little bit squishy that three days later it's totally tight and the horse is back in training. Trouble is, you never know and they have yet to precisely describe the scan results.

to believe the conspiracy theories seems to me u have to underestimate these connections quite a bit. Would anyone have been looking forward more to winning the TC than Paul Redam and Doug O'Neill? If it were otherwise, doubtful to me they'd even be in racing.

the training and prep of the horse and probable cause of the injury is another matter and open to criticism, imo.

Hi Rapid,
That's all true...but you wouldn't do anything more than walk the horse after an injury like this....some would keep him in his stall...not put the tack and rider on him and send him out like he's going to a race. TJ