I'll have another at stud

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:48 am

well he's going to be retired one day and make babies. I imagine he's going to be pretty popular as well. What do you think are his chances at stud? does he have a fashionable pedigree?

LB · Postby LB » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:30 pm

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... iple-crown

ElPrado · Postby **ElPrado** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:05 pm

Flower Alley isn't exactly having them lined up by the dozens outside his stall. There's fashion and there's not in fashion. He falls in the latter category. I imagine his fee will be in the vicinity of $25 to $35 thousand.

Patuxet · Postby **Patuxet** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:23 pm

Big Brown, sired by a considerably less accomplished race horse, stood his first season three years ago for $65,000.

kimberley mine · Postby **kimberley mine** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:29 pm

Aside from being a son of Flower Alley, his female line is GREAT at turning out good-value running horses, but hasn't had a big-name stallion since Jester. Stage Colony and Changeintheweather were useful, and Marsh Side may make a name for himself, but those three are from the kind of distantly related Northern Meteor branch.

It's not the same as Almahmoud, whose family pops out a superstar stallion about once every 10 years.

LB · Postby LB » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:37 pm

Patuxet wrote:Big Brown, sired by a considerably less accomplished race horse, stood his first season three years ago for $65,000.

That was a whole other world in the horse breeding business.

Dave C · Postby **Dave C** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:38 am

If they overprice him like Facebook, the odds of him failing will go way up. If they price him appropriately for a new sire with a modest pedigree (~20k) he will get a good mix of mares to prove himself and earn a high stud fee.

casallc · Postby **casallc** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:33 am

He brought $11K as a yearling - that tells you all you need to know about his pedigree before he improved the family. I was never impressed with the horse as an idividual, neither were the bidders. He was just a horse until he proved otherwise. He will get some good mares and will probably get a few runners. That is - unless he proves he isn't a sire, just like he proved he wasn't just a horse on the track. He will have a better shot to become a sire than most horses get. If pedigree was an indication of a sire or a racehorse, Seattle Dancer would have been a multi-millionare on the track and a leading sire.

Time will tell. Secretariat was considered a failure as a sire until his daughters started to produce. Pedigree is WAY over played - it will make you a fool much more often than it will make you a genius.

brogers · Postby **brogers** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:45 pm

casallc wrote:He brought $11K as a yearling - that tells you all you need to know about his pedigree before he improved the family. I was never impressed with the horse as an idividual, neither were the bidders. He was just a horse until he proved otherwise. He will get some good mares and will probably get a few runners. That is - unless he proves he isn't a sire, just like he proved he wasn't just a horse on the track. He will have a better shot to become a sire than most horses get. If pedigree was an indication of a sire or a racehorse, Seattle Dancer would have been a multi-millionare on the track and a leading sire.

Time will tell. Secretariat was considered a failure as a sire until his daughters started to produce. Pedigree is WAY over played - it will make you a fool much more often than it will make you a genius.

The opening three sentences here sound pretty much what they said about Sunday Silence at the time he raced and retired. That may be the first and last time I'll Have Another and Sunday Silence are in the same sentence, but it is what it is.

Fireslam · Postby **Fireslam** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:47 pm

Secretariat certainly was not considered a failure at stud. Perhaps he didnt live up to the unrealistic expectations put upon him, considering he was the best horse seen in 50 years. However, considering he had 8% stakes winners from foals, 11% stakes winners from starters, and produce 2 Horses of the Year, he was far better than 98% of all stallions at stud.

casallc · Postby **casallc** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Fireslam wrote:Secretariat certainly was not considered a failure at stud. Perhaps he didnt live up to the unrealistic expectations put upon him, considering he was the best horse seen in 50 years. However, considering he had 8% stakes winners from foals, 11% stakes winners from starters, and produce 2 Horses of the Year, he was far better than 98% of all stallions at stud.

If he "didn't live up to expectations", unreasonable or not, that is the definition of failure. Secretariat got the best mares ever attracted by a horse. He should have some results - any horse would. I was in the horse business when Secretariat ran and went to stud. By the time his 3rd crop went to the track stud fees and shares for him were going at fire sale prices. Maybe the influx of cheap mares helped him out.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:29 am

I predict there is a lot more interest in having him in Japan or in South Korean. They have love affairs with Forty Niner line stallions and mares too.

stlouiskid · Postby **stlouiskid** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:50 am

It's all about the pedigree. Flower Alley is off to a nice start, but certainly not considered classic bloodlines yet. And none of the first three dams were stakes winners or produced stakes winners until I'll Have Another.
If he were by Tapit, Storm Cat or Distorted Humor, he would be at $60,000 first year.

erhrdt3 · Postby **erhrdt3** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:47 am

I was thinking the same thing as Tappiano was...IHA will end up getting sent off to another country.

His sire, Flower Alley is just a younger sire starting to get some runners, but he is not anything special yet.

Why would they want to be trying to get his sire off the ground with a good reputation and then have HIS son also be a sire??

There's so many horses out there, how many places take on more and more sires? And God help the runners that do not make it as sires or broodmares.

So Tappiano, I bet there was something already set up for him that the owner/trainer just could not refuse.

I don't know, perhaps I'm wrong....who knows in this "sport" anymore. I'm kinda getting sick of it, esp. after the circus we will see later today at Belmont.

Tappiano · Postby **Tappiano** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:17 am

I don't think a deal was set up, the breeding season is over and there might not be enough demand for him in the southern hemisphere. There have been multiple articles written that said even if he won the triple crown his value was not going to go up that much, so if that's true then there is/was no incentive to run him again once the injury was detected. That is why they say he has done enough... I do not agree but he's not my horse. The horse's races were good but not great so when we talk about horses who won two out of three legs of it, he's going to be pretty far down the list IMHO.

There is plenty of Forty Niner blood in Kentucky, IMHO we won't miss out if he stands in another country.