Problem is overbreeding....and irresponsibility

[Crystal]

What kind of person openly admits to running horses under someone elses name? Why? What are you trying to hide from?

So is your training career taking previously retired horses, laying them up for multiple years, re training them for riding and then bringing them back to race once? Because you seem to have done that a few times.

Never had a break down since 1993 and never sent a horse to the killers since 1993...

Ok,,so do you have put horses on the wagon before? A you a reformed hypocrite now or what?

[Sylvie Hebert]

no Crystal 1993 is when I had my licence if I am not mistaken ...And why I run horses under other names? Because that way no trouble from anyone else,like having jocks being threaten if they ride my horses or being called names for running barefoot or no lasix or no bit even...a few times or coming back to the barn to find all your horses covered with a blistering substance from ankle to over the knees and some under the belly or all your stall doors opened....When trainers are part of "the gang" nobody harrass them.And no I do not send horses to the meat,in fact I buy them out of there often.
And I am right,...see how Jimble is acting and now you,if I was hiding you would not be able to do that.
I got quite a few private messages telling me to complain to the moderator, these supporters do not respond publicly either...
And I repeat,I posted that link now 5 pages ago,lots of people have posted since then...why attack me and personnaly,not on that post,after all these pages???
Something to ponder...

[JimbleBrimble]

To JimbleBrimble

What is your real neme and record of anything by the way...You have had this thorn in your side for me for years.What is your problem mister incognito???

So I ask:if you are soooo good,and superior why hide???

why I run horses under other names? Because that way no trouble from anyone else,like having jocks being threaten if they ride my horses or being called names for running barefoot or no lasix or no bit even...a few times or coming back to the barn to find all your horses covered with a blistering substance from ankle to over the knees and some under the belly or all your stall doors opened....When trainers are part of "the gang" nobody harrass them.And no I do not send horses to the meat,in fact I buy them out of there often.

And I am right,...see how Jimble is acting and now you,if I was hiding you would not be able to do that.

I got quite a few private messages telling me to complain to the moderator, these supporters do not respond publicly either...

And I repeat,I posted that link now 5 pages ago,lots of people have posted since then...why attack me and personnaly,not on that post,after all these pages???

Something to ponder...

Man this is laughable when somebody chides others for "hiding" and then goes on to try to justify her own hiding.

I think we all know that there are no 'attacks' here done by anyone other than yourself, such as when you attacked the entire state of Louisiana with accusations of race fixing, citing an example of some longshot winning and somebody making a "killing". It was not an "attack" when, for the first time in any of your threads, factual reality was cited, that having been the fact that the winner of the race in question had been the 8-to-5 favorite.

Reminding all of your 0-0-0 training record from 31 starts spanning 1 1/2 decades is more factual reality about someone here seeming to describe the golden path toward solving horse racing in the present.

With that in mind, one can only hope they will consider the qualifications of the source of their new enlightenment before opting, perhaps, to sell all of their breeding stock and buy gold at your command.


*** at least we know now to carefully quote most of your posts, because you have this long history of hiding via the edit button and deleting your most offensive offerings here.

[Sylvie Hebert]

Back to the same question.Why do you say I hide? If I was hiding like you say,my name would not be there...Where is yours?And why attack me,I never attacked you,or ...may be I did, since you hide under a false name...Now I believe may be you were part of that Louisiana crew. Did you know that I taped that situation in the racing office? Not to bring it to justice,Louisiana being the most corrupt state in America,just to prove it to my then owner,who promptly sold off his horses and quit the business.I have all of you(I suppose you were there since you seem to (know)) on tape,good recording of all the remarks and sneers, the sound is perfect,images not that good,I had to keep my hidden camera discret,but good enough on the main participants.I also have a great video and recording of a meeting with the stewards and race secretary...And a great one of a "meeting"with a trainer there and then him saying exactly the reverse in public...Really fun,...but useless since I decided to stay away from you guys.Oh and I even have the confession of a jockey on all that shit...I suppose you know who I mean,if you were there...The horse racing business is corrupted,sadly,I love the horses but they are victims of all your shenanigans. It is now coming all out but not fast enough to save the sport...The cleaning should have been done many,many years ago,...I was younger and was trying to protect my friends and family,now that I am older I know it should have been out,may be sent to the New York times...I still love the horses and the races,but all the crooks and cheaters and drugs and abuses are killing it. I did stop to post at one point and some of you here wrote to me I will not stop now,and ask the same question again: Who are you Jimble? Beside an assh...who attacks me on everyone else posts...Oh and why would you say I want to solve the problems of horse racing?I don't,I can't ,nobody can,the train has derailled and is going downhill and fast...

[Sylvie Hebert]

And Jimble you were the one to attack me in 2006 and still now......we are 6 years later....Come on stop being a pussy,come out from under your rock...

[Crystal]

[quote="Sylvie Hebert"]

My only concern is the horse wellbeing and my owner satisfaction,because he foots the bill,he is the client,and the client is always right. My responsibility is making the client happy and keeping the horse sound...I never had a breakdown since 1993,and never sent a horse to the killers since 1993...can you say the same? If you had any horses,evidently....
I never ran a horse under another person name if it was a "dud",this is why I can always find a trainer to run them.And shut up...[/quote]

Watch what you post when replying to questioning.. You admitted to previously sending horses to killers prior to 1993.. whether you ment to post that or not - you did.

And you admit to running horses under other peoples names.. People get ruled off tracks for doing that. It's an example of what low class owners/trainers do when they are ruled out for violations.

The majority of your posts are blaming people for being irresponsible and breeding unwanted horses. Multiple threads you have posted have been in the same tone. Whatever you do is your own business but by posting classless trash you are just hurting yourself and the horses you re-sell by creating a negative perception of yourself. And honestly the horses in your care are in danger of being returned to the track whenever you feel the need to play "trainer".

Telling someone they are hiding behind an internet forum screen name is cowardly way of drawing the attention off the fact that they have called you out on your own BS..

I used to support some of the statements you made, but now seeing where they come from I rather not.

[JimbleBrimble]

We're coming up on the ten-year anniversary of Sylvie's only career top-5 finish - how shall we celebrate/commemorate the occasion?

Her horse ran 5th - maybe we will post five times at Pedigree Query on that day.

Not coincidentally that was the only time in Sylvie Hebert's training career that one of her charges beat as many as 3 opponents at the same time.

Sylvie Hebert was the listed trainer of 11 individual runners, none of which ever raced again after enduring her tutelage and training regimen.

Here is how Sylvie described in these very pages her efforts with the runner Noble and Strong on May 19, 2006, at Louisiana Downs:

...i ran a first time starter that ran next to last,in his next start with a very bottom of the heap jockey the horse is favourite in the paddock...third favourite at the post...finish last(broke really well was 4th in the first turn and strangely stopped and gallopped the rest (his under belly near his privates were all swollen after the race from being whipped there but not one mark on his ass...?)and a long shot wins...somebody made a killing with that race...

The runner she describes was in fact 10-1 at off time, while the winner was the 8/5 favorite who returned $5.40. That 16-length winner was by no definition "a longshot". Sylvie's horse was beaten 66 lengths earning a speed figure of zero in the process. To implicate or blame jockey Lucy Burch in any way for that is on the edge of absurd.


The could've-been champion Noble and Strong worked-out at 6 furlongs a half-dozen times in its life:

1:18 4/5
1:18 3/5
1:19
1:18 2/5

1:17 1/5 (that's when she had it fully-cranked, four days after the race described above, and 13 months prior to its next race)

1:20



Personally, I think Noble and Strong raced his usual 1:18 3/5 for six furlongs and that his subsequent "stopping" was not strange at all. Particularly as Noble and Strong would go on to beat just a single horse during the rest of its career, and that was by a neck.


It's all fact, there for anybody to research as I did.

(* OK, except for the "could've-been champion" part)

[Sylvie Hebert]

crystal I never said I sent horses to the killers before 1993 I only said that I never did it and I had a licence since 1993.Why you keep difforming or trying to find other meaning in what I say??and what "danger" of returning to the track,do you mean that racing is so bad poor horses should not be raced it is a danger going there?/And I use different trainers on different tracks all the time and this is being done by many people...Especially in Florida and California where workman comp is very expensive and many trainers enter horses for private parties.Don't pretend you don't know that...And it is done in Louisiana where horses ship in and are ran by another trainer under his name ...This is not uncommon...not suppose to happen? May be but very common...And why do you suddenly attack me after 4 pages of comments on an article I did not write but just posted a link to...You don't like me,I don't care,but why me? Trainers and owners starve horses and abuse them everyday,some(many)simply defraud their owners and bill them for vet or medications on their own horses or services never rendered.Lot's of them dope their horses and/or run cripples into the ground.Many horses end up on meat trucks even when not supposed to by trucking them over state lines without documentation and hundreds of other nasty occurences.Some are finally caught and you play the surprise virgin Mary? But as soon as I post a link to something about that you attack me about a horse that lost 10 year ago? Why? And I repeat,my name is there for everyone to see,I do not hide...YOU DO HIDE and from under your rock you bite at the legs of the ones who stand up...Afraid to be squashed if we find out who you really are??? And about the horses you say endure my tutelage,you want a list I can tell you exactly where they are and what they do,I even have pictures of most at other sports,Carpe Demon you can find as a stallion,and successful one,for hunters,he has his own website,Sharp Critic?was a barrel horse for a few years now is a lesson horse ar Ecole d'equitation les Amazones,Noble and Strong? you can watch in st-Tite this year still runs,come on name them:Brin d'Acier(born in 1989) is still in my field here with my old ponyhorse,Irona?also a lesson horse after a jumping carreer,Who else???Name them...come on?And I can tell you where they are,with pictures and names...And now tell us where are YOUR horses...

[Crystal]

Go re-read your post. You specified prior to 1993 you had shipped horses.

I said "in danger" because they SHOULD NOT BE RETURNED TO THE TRACK in the first place.

You buy horses off of CANTER, lay they up while "retraining them" and then bring them back to low level races where they have no chance..

and YES, I am specifically speaking of what you did to my boss's horse CARPE DEMON. Just because you flipped him soon after to a woman with a riding horse home does not dissolve you of poor methods and dis honest practices. We sold that horse for A RIDING HORSE not a riding horse-race horse-riding horse.

To answer your questions, yes workman's cop is expensive, but FACT being if you can't afford insurance there is a REASON why you shouldn't be a trainer or be allowed to train horses to race at the track. You shouldn't hold a license in the first place... that's why you don't.

Running a horse under another trainer because you're not in the position to hold a license does not make it any more or less right. I'm sorry you feel as though you can't just be a licensed "owner" because you think every trainer is going to inflate your monthly statement or try to wreck your horses. Obviously some people don't like you for a reason and It's NOT because they feel your horses are competition..

And to remind you I don't "Hide". I have posted my name, my phone number and contact information with every horse I post for sale on this board. I'm on facebook, twitter, at every KY sale and have met and done business with MANY people on this site. I help people buy and sell racehorses (Who actually race and WIN) as well as help network and transition OTTBS daily. I'm employed in this business and have been since I was 18.

I keep myself out of trouble and I know none of the animals I work with are in danger of being doused with chemicals or in harms way, which from what you have stated is more than you can guarantee.

You are hostile, defensive, and shady. Things you post have such a negative tone I personally could care less what you have to say any longer. You don't offer anything to this business and quite frankly if I never come across you I will consider myself lucky. You have no problem repeatedly posting things that are unfortunate and wrong with this business but offer little to help fix things. I'm glad you re home horses, however you could be more effective with your time, energy and money by just being truthful and accept the fact that when a horse is retired for whatever reason he/she should stay off the track. Don't continue to burn bridges and endanger more horses.

[Sylvie Hebert]

Carpe Demon was bought by a client of mine for $2000. I still have copies of the checks,one check to the trainer for $1000. and one check to the owner for $1000. Did you know that???I bet the owner did not know that either.He was shipped to a farm in Florida to a trainer who refused him,was in a terrible shape,ankles had been repetitively injected and feet were unusable.Your "boss" was going to enter him again if not sold and his shoes were loose and had been put on for too long.He also had crisis of heaves caused by steroids .The owner was going to put him down,I took him,paid his way,put him on glucosamine and took care of him until he was sound again.I have the xrays when he was bought and after 2 years...The we put him back in training,he had a freak accident on a horse van and we had to nurse a tendon...That tendon would not have hold up for too much distance so he was retired,retrained for riding and shown 2 seasons then placed at that farm for stud duty.After the first year they were not caring for him properly,we went and got him back,he had foundered and was starved.We rehab him again,he was shown a few times then Helene got him a s a stud for her warmblood mares,he is such a nice mover and well made horse.This is the story of Carpe Demon.And in case you wonder,he does improve the mares,the babies are really nice.I also have a condition in his sale contract where he will be returned if something happens...Helene Beland is a very nice woman,you can even ask for infos she will be glad to answer you.He does not stand to outside mares,he is her home stud only

[Sylvie Hebert]

"Never had a break down since 1993 and never sent a horse to the killers since 1993"...does not mean I had breakdowns before or sent horses to the killers,I only said that since I had a licence (about 1993) I never did that.It is a context statement because this is a racing "site"I never sent a horse to the killers either before of after...1993.I paid lots of money to vets for euthanasia and you can have their names if you ask...I never accused YOU of hiding but Jimble.I know you,may be you don't remember.I never endangered any horses never repetitively injected any horse,never used any drugs and never "flipped" Carpe Demon,I got him 'cause nobody wanted him.I had him in my barn for many years,he always had the best (and trainers that have seen my horses at the track ,can say they all got the best and looked like million dollars horses and most believed they were high priced stakes horses before they saw their form)and I bought him back twice...And I bought horses from other posters here and raced them and sold and re-bought them but never abused any.I took horses from trainers that had them starved and abused and tried to save them(some here must remember Rosinsky and others from that crazy lady)but never ran an unsound injected horse and vets that dealt with me know that:NO prerace NO steroids,NO joints injections,NO bute or banamine and most of the time no shoes or if shoes no toe grabs.I never knowingly raced on tracks or in bush or in rodeos anything that had something nagging him,no knees,no chips,no nothing.So evidently no breakdowns...I really respect horses not for money or fame,for themselves...When Carpe Demon ran again he was sound as can be,but was stopped by the rider who figured he must be unsound after seeing the form.A horse who had been away from the race that long he was convinced was not sound,,,I decided the hell with it,if I keep running or breeezing him for nothing may be that tendon will eventually not hold and he will not be able to go for a second carreer so I retired him.He has a nice life you can see him on the web if you want.I was not accusing you of anything,if your boss is the trainer that sold Carpe Demon tell him I still have copy of his "bill of sale" and both cancelled checks...I wonder if the owner knows that....or what that owner was told.

[jonservidio]

[Sylvie Hebert]

Yes I am defensive,I never attacked you,I posted a link to an article...Jimble attacked me after 4 pages of comments by everyone else,not a single comment by me.I won't answer any more so you will again say I hide???

[Crystal]

No I won't say you hide. Because bottom feeders will always be at the lowest ranks possible. You can do or say whatever you want and fill your responses with more excuses. I don't buy any of them.

You made an example of your poor judgement by going to get a colt (Carpe Demon) who IF he was in such piss poor shape you still picked him up for your "client". If he had such horrible joints, feet, etc then why did you purchase him as agent?

Again, your story does not add up to me. I stand by my notion you are nothing but a shady trouble maker who bends stories and creates excuses making yourself a victim. You run horses under different trainers names because you can't afford to insure yourself or your property. I have recently talked to people who also call you a shady character as well. and JB has done the research on you as a trainer.

I do also believe it was not a "slip of the tounge" that you posted you had not had a break down since 1993 or shipped a horse since 1993.. There was nothing about "when you had a license".. I just believe you are a bush LA trainer who struggles like many horseman to get by and at times you maybe over whelmed.

Goodbye and good luck.

[Sylvie Hebert]

There you go again...I did not buy Carpe Demon for myself and did not "choose" him like I did not even go to the Kentucky auction to chose that crooked leg yearling...Someone bought him in my name with their money and advised by a trainer I don't even know.I saw him for the first time when he was unloaded at my barn by a shipping company I never even heard of since they only dealt at the time with trotters and pacers...I do not go to tracks to buy horses for resale my girls used to do that.I have stopped a few months ago,no more market for them.I am not in Louisiana,I went there in 2005 left in 2007...I have not been on the racetrack or in the usa anywhere for 5 years,so who say they know me?.I had workman comp when and where I run and where I work but not in some states 3000 miles from me...Not in Californis where I only run a few QH a year,not in Florida either and certainly not in Louisiana where I have not set foot in 5 years...I run only a few horses a year,they are trained off the racetrack and run by someone else and I do not own them either.I have no intention of ever going back to Louisiana known as the most corrupt state in America and I maintain that the racing industry is in trouble and you all great trainers and smart people,not stupid little me,should straighten and clean your act before it is too late,if not too late already. And I do have insurances on my farm,horse trailer and truck. thank you.And if you think I drive an old battered pick up and crummy stock trailer like Louisiana hillbillies look again...And instead of listening to BS of that JB the masked bandit,just take care of your own business... with your economy doing so well...you should be glad us stupid and incompetent "aliens" have money and workers to spare,and send you our horses to run and make money.So you think the racehorse people are all angels and treat their horses properly and I am a crook?Allright I could not care less,what you think.The ones who really know me,come to my farm,buy horses from me or send them to me know that I never send horses to the killers,even the killers know that...When a TB get to the meat plant close to me they call me and I go get it...even when it has to be put down and buried here,my vet knows that and my real contacts too.All my life I have placed TB and you want references,I can supply you with dozens and a lot of them are on facebook easy to find nowadays.I will not come back to that thread so you can keep on trying to destroy me,you must be desperate and need a scapegoat,Carpe Demon left that crummy barn/suffolks in 2002?....We are in 2012, and I still watch over him,where are your horses,the ones you had in 2002? I pity you.I repeat,why attack me on a link I posted after 4 pages of comments of someone else...