Union Rags
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Union Rags
Now that Raggsy is retired, what kind of mares/bloodlines do you think would be the best matches for him? What would you be hoping to achieve by these matings? As a Union Rags fan, I'm really interested in how he and his pedigree are viewed as a stallion prospect. Thanks!
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You know, the GLAD RAGS family is a notoriously poor source of good stallions. While she was a terriffic 2yo filly, and was bred to the very best, she comes from a relatively weak family with little to recommend it as a sire-producing one. One or two failures could be explained away, but I count four to six BAD stallions who share Glad Rags as a common ancestress.
Of course, history doesnt always repeat itself so Im not writing off UNION RAGS just yet. Another son of DIXIE UNION, HIGH COTTON, is doing a bang up job for a $3,500 stud fee stallion. So the male line doesnt have any strikes against it yet. DIXIE CHATTER's offspring will give me a better idea.
To answer your question, if I were to breed to him I'd send a sound mare from a deep female family, preferably one which is inbred fairly close up to a horse like HALO, or even SEATTLE SLEW. DIXIE RAGS is a massive horse so I wouldnt want to send a mare over 16 hands to him.
Of course, history doesnt always repeat itself so Im not writing off UNION RAGS just yet. Another son of DIXIE UNION, HIGH COTTON, is doing a bang up job for a $3,500 stud fee stallion. So the male line doesnt have any strikes against it yet. DIXIE CHATTER's offspring will give me a better idea.
To answer your question, if I were to breed to him I'd send a sound mare from a deep female family, preferably one which is inbred fairly close up to a horse like HALO, or even SEATTLE SLEW. DIXIE RAGS is a massive horse so I wouldnt want to send a mare over 16 hands to him.
He has a 1 in 8 chance of being a success at stud, why breed to him until you know if he will make it or not, breed to a proven stallion until
A. you know if he is a successful sire and
B. what type of blood he likes in his mares
I know its not what you asked - just my 2 cents worth about any new stallion prospect.
A. you know if he is a successful sire and
B. what type of blood he likes in his mares
I know its not what you asked - just my 2 cents worth about any new stallion prospect.
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Barcaldine
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My guess is that he'll stand in the 20-25 range, which puts him out of reach for most breeders in the mid-atlantic region. I wouldnt be surprised to see him at Lane's End since his deceased sire stood there and Mr. Farish likes to bring in sons of successful sons of horses he stands.
Champion 2yo UNCLE MO is $35,000, and Belmont winner DROSSELMEIER is $30,000 so he would be well positioned in the market if he came in below them. JMO
Champion 2yo UNCLE MO is $35,000, and Belmont winner DROSSELMEIER is $30,000 so he would be well positioned in the market if he came in below them. JMO
$17,500 S&N; but whats's a couple of thousand between friends 
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It was announced today - Lane's End it is.
[b]Union Rags to Stand at Lane's End[/b]
Updated: 2:37 PM ET (First posted: 2:17 PM ET)
Multiple Grade I winner Union Rags (Dixie Union--Tempo, by Gone West) will enter stud in 2013 at Lane's End Farm near Versailles, Kentucky. Winner of the GI Champagne S. and GII Saratoga Special S. last year, the bay colt captured the GI Belmont S. in June in what would be his career finale. His stud fee will be announced at a later date. "We are thrilled that Phyllis Wyeth has chosen to stand Union Rags at Lane's End," said Will Farish. "He has all the makings of a top stallion. He was a brilliant racehorse with outstanding conformation and he has an exceptional pedigree."
[b]Union Rags to Stand at Lane's End[/b]
Updated: 2:37 PM ET (First posted: 2:17 PM ET)
Multiple Grade I winner Union Rags (Dixie Union--Tempo, by Gone West) will enter stud in 2013 at Lane's End Farm near Versailles, Kentucky. Winner of the GI Champagne S. and GII Saratoga Special S. last year, the bay colt captured the GI Belmont S. in June in what would be his career finale. His stud fee will be announced at a later date. "We are thrilled that Phyllis Wyeth has chosen to stand Union Rags at Lane's End," said Will Farish. "He has all the makings of a top stallion. He was a brilliant racehorse with outstanding conformation and he has an exceptional pedigree."
I'm not surprised. They were pretty high on Dixie Union and a well-conformed son of his who just missed being a champion at 2 and had the stamina to win the Belmont at 3 is an extremely attractive prospect. Granted, the female family doesn't have much of a record for sire production in recent generations, but then its best American representative was 1993 Belmont winner Colonial Affair, a horse who never won a major race at less than 9 furlongs or as a juvenile and was far too stamina-oriented in pedigree to appeal to the American market.
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Colonial Affair was more the "norm" when it came to that sire line... with the exception of Pleasant Tap, none have been very impressive. Through PC's daughters though there has been longevity. My colt is from PC's family too... and there hasn't been a stallion from it in any branch other than Sun Colony.