Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[parlo]

This should be more important than the FB/NFB-stuff that is usually performed here:

Study: EIPH is an Inherited Trait

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... ited-trait

[diomed]

Bleeding has been going on in the breed since the 1700's. Blame Herod for that. The study and what the industry is doing in France and South Africa should be followed by the rest of the world IMO.

[louis finochio]

When a tb is gelded, it dosent change his parentage. The other study i am doing, dosent include geldings. My post of Cardamina is a different study.

If a breeder wants to breed for speed, he dosent have to use 25--29 crosses of Ph. stallions. A breeder can inbred to those NP sire lines in a balance with those Ph., sire lines. The balance of NP & Ph. will breed a sound individual, that will average more lifetime starts.

[louis finochio]

I'll bet the farm, that those stallions whose progeny bleed with the highest %, are FB stallions with intense inbreeding. I will ask trainer Richard Mandella, the names of our US stallions whose progeny are bleeders, & i will look at their pedigrees. I will not post the stallions names, but i will post whether they are FB stallions.

[BenB]

Parlo, i have been posting the thing about the lasix now for more than six yrs,

I have had email contact with a couple of people from the jockeyclub, and the kentucky racehorse board.

The problem is that every state in the US is independant,
and each and every jurisdiction can do what they like.

The problem is that the tracks do not like to looses horses on the short terms, the trainers are using the stuff early, the lower the weight the faster a horse can go etc. Beyond the natural abilty.

Get a look at clean horse racing .org.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... fatalities Interesting view

Louis, btw, do you know that cardmania is having 5% phalaris via his bloodstrains, that is considerable more than the normal 3% which are found in the FB,s so your vision is missing the actual link. As the 3% is counting for horses of the present.

Mind that the US does not have signed the paragraph,s on racing and rules with the IFHA. gooiing about bute, lasix and a couple more med,s

[louis finochio]

If those FB had one-third more crosses of NP, they would average more lifetime starts. Forget about the 5% of Ph. that Cardmania had, it's miniscule.

[ElPrado]

But they don't. Cardmania had more. By your own post.


Cardmania (1986)....5.8 % Phalaris......3.1 % Teddy......9.3 % St Simon

Contemporary horses generally have much less Phalaris.

Paynter.................3.9 % Phalaris......4.2 % Teddy......6.3 % St Simon
Bodemeister...........3.7 %................4.7 %.............5.4 %
I'll Have Another......4.4 %................4.4 %.............4.8 %
Union Rags............4.5 %................4.2 %.............8.0 %
Hansen.................4.3 %................5.9 %.............3.5 %

[BenB]

Cardmania was an 1986 model, and since than a lot of things changed in racing.

Louis, is typically showings the attitude from an one liner, only his opinion is important, and all other things, opinions, facts, are to be neglected or ignored.

[louis finochio]

DIAMONDSINTHEWAY M, 2003 DP = 11-2-9-0-0 (22) DI = 3.89 CD = 1.09

Owner: L A Stable
Breeder: James E. English
State Bred: KY

3rd Assiniboia Oaks

broke maiden 7/20/05 Ellis Park, won twice at 2.
won 6/30/06 Assiniboia Downs, alwc, $6,748, 6 f, 1:12.60.
6/10/07 7.5f $4.5K clm Assiniboia 4, broke down early.

DIAMONDSINTHEWAY b. M, 2003
Pembroke---September Splendor, by Northern Supremo

DITW wa a type 1 FB, being inbred 4 X 4 RAN---4 X 5 Bold Ruler---5 X 5 X 5 Native Dancer---5 X 5 Nearco

DITW had 25 crosses Ph. stallions & 10 crosses Ph. mares
DITW inherited the same Ph. stallions & mares that are found in the pedigrees of those FB, that sustained career ending injuries, they our:

Nearco 2 crosses---Native Dancer 3 crosses---Nasrullah---Bold Ruler 2 crosses---Nashua---RAN 2 crosses---Secretariat---Nearctic---ND---Mr. P.---Gold Digger---Natalma.

[DDT]

Louis

Diamondsintheway suffered a break down in her 20th start, she raced at 2,3 and 4, not too bad for a Fashion Bred, a really good example of how you hand pick the horses you use but she was foaled in 2003 and broke down in 2007, do you have to go back that far to find an example, especially one that made 20 career starts? As with the majority of your posts this horse actually contradicts your theory that Fashion Breds break down early with less than 10 starts. Inbreeding to one sire line is not a major cause of break downs or non-starters.

DDT

[BenB]

It is quite obvious, that Louis is searching for examples, without double checking. In the last pages it is starting to get worse and worse.


I do not mind when someone has his own opinion, but I do mind writing posting false information overhere.

[louis finochio]

Can you be successful in claiming NFB, more so than FB. Im concerned with the soundness angle. I would like to claim a late maturing NFB turf runner. I would stand a better chance, to get out of my claim price.

[BenB]

Louis, what about Zo Impressive, vanned off yesterday, an pure nfb model 2009.

http://nyra.com/saratoga/stories/AlabamaRecap.shtml

http://www.pedigreequery.com/zo+impressive

this pure FB 35 starts http://www.pedigreequery.com/richards+kid

And Louis, i know already what your reply will be.

[louis finochio]

Richard's Kid is a NFB, he was bred from a Ph. over Domino mating. RK only has 2 inbreedings, to Ph. stallions.

[BenB]

The approval for an FB, A cluster from PH, a double inbred fitted the bill.

The ground has become too hot, and you changed as always your own rules.

Louis, you are losing my respect, not as an person but in this regard.