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Postby henthorn » Tue May 17, 2005 2:01 pm

I saw too many stallions this week, and will post a little info at a time. Some info you might need to know, though.

Mt. Livermore is almost infertile, only has one mare in foal so far this year.

Indian Charlie walks clumsily because of nerve damage in his neck, has had neck surgery to stabilize it. Hard to say if he will pass on any neck or back problems, but doubt it. He's outperforming his pedigree and improving his mares considerably.

Crafty Prospector is retiring after this season.

Geri is not likely to return to Hill 'n' Dale as planned, since his progeny haven't shown much since he left for Japan.

Forest Camp, Proud Citizen, and especially Petionville are very short-coupled, and not to be bred to a mare with similar traits. Average-backed mares would be best.

Yankee Victor is considered a "slow breeder" by his team and gets special care.

The prettiest, coolest horses I saw, in no particular order:

Birdstone at 15.3 1/2 hh is a gorgeous classy boy with good conformation. Stud fee is $10K. A bargain!

Mr. Greeley is very strong, produces the big horses, but not a very high SW percentage. A little like Marquetry. For what it's worth.

Century City is fighting allergies and a sore foot and still is one of the most classy pedigrees and picture-perfect boys I've seen. Stud fee $12.5K, first foals due this spring.

Smoke Glacken is a very athletic, good-sized boy with lots of bone and his kids are burning up the tracks. $30K fee.

Alphabet Soup gets better looking all the time. $20-25K fee.

Successful Appeal is recovering nicely from colic surgery, and is a grand-looking guy. $25K.

Northern Afleet is a solid sprinter-type body, and his fee will definitely be going up next year from $12.5K.

I saw Yes It's True last trip, and he's special at $25K.

Honour and Glory really looks the part of a great stallion, and is a steal at $15K, if it stays that price.

Richter Scale is a tank on wheels, and his babies are selling well.

Holy Bull is a big-boned boy with good conformation.

New mid-sized son of Sadler's Wells is Perfect Soul and he is a fine looker. Sligo Bay is also well-conformed, mid-sized.

Yankee Gentleman is also new as a son of Storm Cat and very correct and speedy.

Tapit is still growing up, and is very classy.

Street Cry is awesome. He exudes class and athleticism.


OTHER NOTES

Millennium Wind has gained at least 150 lbs and his feet have grown out from improper shoeing when he was racing. He's huge.

The Carson City sons are looking good and should sell well for precocious babies: Cuvee, Ecton Park, City Zip. They do not look much alike in size and shape.


I saw many, many more at stud fees of $5000-$40,000. If you have specific questions about others, I'll try to give a good answer. I admit I was not put off by minor flaws on this trip, so I might have ignored some things, knowing that racehorses come in all shapes and sizes. I'm becoming less critical as I compare racing soundness, productivity, pedigree and conformation in a large number of horses. It's the "whole package" that makes the horse.
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Postby aurora » Tue May 17, 2005 2:44 pm

Thanks, Henthorn

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Postby dray33 » Tue May 17, 2005 3:59 pm

Hey henthorn, thanks for the updates. Can you tell me more about Street Cry, I love him and think hes gonna be one heck of a sire. How does his babies look so far???

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Postby secretariat » Tue May 17, 2005 5:00 pm

what is everyones opion on eavesdropper? has anyone seen him?
he has a beautiful pedigree

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Postby austique » Tue May 17, 2005 6:21 pm

I saw Eavesdropper in April as we bought a lifetime breeding right in him. He's not a super big horse, but much more substantial as far as muscle goes than he appears in his photos. I didn't see anything amiss in his confirmation, but I'm no expert. He was very nice though and obviously from a female family that produces quality sires. His temperment was very nice also. Walmac said he had been busy this breeding season. Must concur with Henthorn that Successful Appeal is also very nice.

I also saw Street Cry on the same trip. Henthorn's description was right on. He's very classy. He's got a bit of a common head and I think he may be a bit overpriced at this juncture in his career, but no more than a lot of other stallions in KY. I also kind of like Rossini at Darley although he is quite small, and everyone knows I'm BIG on Kafwain.

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Postby Sysonby » Tue May 17, 2005 7:04 pm

Nice summary but I'm pretty sure Ecton Park is by Forty Niner :wink: Did you see Five Star Day perhaps?

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Postby Pete » Tue May 17, 2005 7:31 pm

Hi Henthorn,

Hope you had a great trip to the bluegrass.

Is 15-3+ your measureent on Birdstone, or the official farm measurement?

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Postby LSB » Tue May 17, 2005 7:58 pm

dray, Street Cry looks like an athlete but I wouldn't take a mare to him whose conformation needed a lot of fixing. He's definitely got some flaws. I've seen about 10-12 of his offspring so far. These were probably not the best he's produced as most were offered as weanlings and short yearlings at the Keeneland Nov. and Jan. sales. Judging by those few, Street Cry is reproducing some of his own problems. I'll be interested to see what his yearlings look like in September.

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Postby austique » Tue May 17, 2005 8:15 pm

To LSB and Henthorn:

Did you find Street Cry to be somewhat smaller than the 16 hands they had him listed at?

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Postby Pete » Tue May 17, 2005 9:03 pm

Hi Henthorn,

Thanks for the stallion update.

LSB, Street Cry had a very impressive book of mares - at least in his first year. If he has a number of foals with physical problems I think you'll see his prices all over the place. I do know that there were deals to be had with him this year - not necessarily a bad idea to play the bubble with such a strong band of mares that he had in year one.

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Postby FOS » Tue May 17, 2005 9:12 pm

hi henthorn

Great stuff...thanks for sharing !!!

Best to you.

Respectfully

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Postby FOS » Tue May 17, 2005 9:18 pm

hi Pete

Welcome back !!!

Your opinions and insights (etc) are always appreciated.

Best to you.

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Postby LSB » Wed May 18, 2005 6:46 am

austique, I made Street Cry to be a solid 16.0.

As an aside, E Dubai (who also stands at Darley) is also 16.0. I know many people expect him to be smaller--I've been told he was only about 15.2 when he was racing so I measured him very deliberately.

In the interest of full disclosure :wink: I have had foals by both those stallions. I have a yearling filly from Street Cry's first crop and and a three month old E Dubai filly born this year.

Pete, I second that welcome back! It's nice to see you around again. :)

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Postby freddymo » Wed May 18, 2005 7:02 am

Did you see Saarland anythoughts? Is Omega Code in Ky?

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Postby kimberley mine » Wed May 18, 2005 7:03 am

Did you happen to get a look at Horse Chestnut or Include?

They're favourites of mine.