Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

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Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Thu May 25, 2017 1:54 pm

The Pedigree Query database includes fewer than 20 potentially still-living individuals descended from Mr Hutton's Bowes mare. None have, as yet, been tested for mtDNA. Such testing is desirable since the pedigree accepted into GSB does not match the pedigrees recorded earlier in the 18th century for Mr Hutton's mare.

In order to try to resolve this apparent discrepancy, Byron Rogers of Performance Genetics has agreed to perform mtDNA testing if we can find one of these horses to test.

These are the horses of interest, and as much information as I have been able to find online; I would be grateful for suggestions as to how to track down any before the line disappears from the Thoroughbred forever.


1. Evita (GER) (1968) by Frontal
2.... Espania (GER) (1991) by Motley
2.... Ettlay (GER) (1992) by Motley
3.... El Ain (GER) (2000) by Alkalde
3.... Enea (GER) (2002) by Alkalde
2.... Exorzist (GER) (1993) by Lemhi Gold

1. Priceless Miss (1980) by Mullineuax
2.... Salt N Pepe (1990) by Our Bold Landing
2.... Miss Cueteapie (1992) by King Pellinore
Owner: Peter Forbes (active through 2004)
Breeder: Peter B Forbes & Robert F Amberger
3.... Kielbasa Cutea (NY) (1999) by Polish Pro
Owner: Peter Forbes / Breeder: Peter B Forbes
3.... Apostrophe Pete (NY) (2001) by Polish Pro
Owner: Paul W Barrow (active in 2017) / Breeder: Peter B Forbes
3.... Pie R Squared (2003) by Ormsby
Breeder: Peter B Forbes
3.... Tairaterces (2007) by Best of Luck
Breeder Erin Hurley
2.... B Nimble Jak (NY) (1995) by Cojak
Owner: Paul W Barrow (active in 2017) / Breeder: Peter B Forbes & Robert F Amberger
2.... Bob’s Little Angel (1996) (NY) by Alyfoe
Breeder: Peter B Forbes & Robert F Amberger
3.... Angel’s Hart (NY) (2002) by American Standard
2.... Red Strider (NY) (1997) by Alyfor
Owner / Trainer: John A Salvato (active through 2016) / Breeder: Peter B Forbes & Robert F Amberger
2.... Kathryn the Granny (NY) (1999) by Loustrous Bid
Owner: Rizzo Stable (active through 2005) / Breeder: Peter B Forbes

1. Darla’s Rush (USA) (1989) by At the Threshold
2.... Ronnet (USA) (1999) by Demaloot Demashoot
Breeder: Meg & Jimmy Miranda
Owner: Rhythm Stable (active through 2008)
Meg & Jimmy Miranda
3.... Got the Moves (USA) (2009) by Senor Swinger
Owner: Betty Jo Hodges, Dominick Juno
2.... Son of Sand (USA) (2006) by Say Florida Sandy
Owner: Amy Patruno, William Greene
Breeder: Amy J Patruno

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby TJ » Fri May 26, 2017 6:54 am

Hi D,
I think the best way to track down what you seek is through Finger Lakes trainer Paul W Barrow. Seems he's trained for, or purchased horses from Peter B Forbes who bred, owned or sold many of the horses you seek. I would contact the Finger Lakes HBPA (585-924-3004), explain what you are trying to accomplish and ask for contact info for trainer Barrows. If anyone can help you, I'd think Barrow would be the person that would have contact info for Forbes. TJ

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Fri May 26, 2017 8:08 am

Thanks very much. Will do.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby TJ » Fri May 26, 2017 8:59 am

drajhtoo wrote:Thanks very much. Will do.

You're welcome...let us know if the HBPA helped you make contact. TJ

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby ct2346 » Fri May 26, 2017 2:33 pm

If you want to track down the status of Ronnet - you might contact Stone Bridge farm in upstate NY - Wilton I think. They should be able to put you in touch with Meg Miranda.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Fri May 26, 2017 2:38 pm

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby CherryDavis » Sun May 28, 2017 5:15 am

Given the age of most of these horses, I would post on Facebook's ottb connect. The people on there have a lot of older horses. Also, Say Florida Sandy is pretty popular with sport people and I feel like I might have even seen someone post about Son of Sand on there.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Sun May 28, 2017 7:18 am

Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby vaponydoc » Mon May 29, 2017 6:25 pm

Got the Moves was bred by someone local to me. I will try to find her number and PM you. I have no idea if she would still have either Got the Moves or his dam.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Mon May 29, 2017 7:52 pm

Thank you. Fingers crossed that we find at least one of these horses still alive.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby vaponydoc » Tue May 30, 2017 4:24 am

I found a couple more offspring of Darla's Rush on Equibase. I have added them to PQ.

Rush Haint Darla, 2000 mare by Haint, bred in FL by Meg Miranda and Jimmy Miranda, owned by Steve Epley Sr., trained by Steve Epley Jr. No offspring show up for her.

Malfoy, 2001 mare by Wheaton, bred in NY by Dennis Trites, owned and trained by John H. Spurlock. No offspring show up for her either.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby vaponydoc » Tue May 30, 2017 4:41 am

Son of Sand was indeed retired to be a show horse. Show name is Brunello. I have PM'ed his owner (on a different forum) to see if they can get in touch with you.

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Re: Need to find horses to sample before line is extinct

Postby drajhtoo » Tue May 30, 2017 6:04 am

Thank you again. I'm in the curious position of knowing a lot about 18th century Thoroughbreds & their pedigrees, but not so much about current Thoroughbreds.

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