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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:32 am 
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Cree wrote:
A handful of horses may train up to the BC:

Forever Unbridled
Stellar Wind
Lady Eli
Drefong
Practical Joke

Always Dreaming is going back to the farm.

Hi Cree,
Stellar Wind is on the block in the Keeneland November sale. Think we can kick in and take her home:>) TJ
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/la ... -november/


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:49 am 
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Oh, my apologies! Didn't realize, thanks for pointing it out! :D Arrogate at 114 is insane. I hope he comes back for the BC. I read that Songbird will be getting looked over, I hope she comes back healthy and herself, also.

Hi Skeenan,
No apologies necessary...I messed up with Always Dreaming's number too:>) Arrogate's 114 still isn't the best he's previously received and most likely why people feel he's not the same as a 4YO. As a 3YO he was given a 122 at the mile and a quarter distance in winning the Travers and and a 120 when he beat California Chrome in the BC Classic. So hopefully he can move forward again in this years BC Classic? TJ


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:58 am 
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TJ wouldn't that be nice. She's quite the mare, and I think the one to beat this year in the Distaff. I've always been a fan of hers, there's something about a big, strapping chestnut !!!


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:26 pm 
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After the Travers, any idea which horse is the leading 3 yr old? At this time, I think that Champion Three Year Old Male should be left empty, I don't think there is anyone that deserves the title.


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Georgerz wrote:
After the Travers, any idea which horse is the leading 3 yr old? At this time, I think that Champion Three Year Old Male should be left empty, I don't think there is anyone that deserves the title.

Hi George,
This contest isn't over yet since there are more 3YO events to play out....but after the high beyer Travers blowout by West Coast winning his 4th race in a row against the Derby, Preakness and Belmont Stakes winner I would put him at the top of the 3YO list. The only quality 3YO he didn't meet was Classic Empire, who was to run in the PA Derby Sept. 23rd at Parx...but is having trouble getting ready and will bypass the race. TJ


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:47 pm 
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Does anyone know: when was the last time the winners of the three triple crown races all faced each other in a race and none of them even hit the board !?
Maybe some kind of record there ...

What a weird year. I guess "parity" comes to thoroughbred racing!

Also of note: in analyzing Beyers of Maiden, Allowance, and Stakes runners (who finished 1-2-3) over the past four years, no one has a higher average Beyer than Bob Baffert.
How does he keep getting the superior stock and performing at such a high level? It really is quite amazing.

Here are the stats for the top fifty:

Trainer Avg Beyer
Bob Baffert 87.99
Richard Mandella 87.42
Chad Brown 86.16
Claude McGaughey III 85.40
Kiaran McLaughlin 85.27
James Jerkens 85.23
David Jacobson 85.07
John Sadler 84.74
William Mott 84.38
Christophe Clement 83.81
Brian Lynch 83.68
Philip D'Amato 83.60
Thomas Albertrani 83.34
Todd Pletcher 82.45
Martin Wolfson 82.18
Richard Baltas 81.94
Peter Miller 81.73
Josie Carroll 81.21
Mark Glatt 81.19
Jorge Navarro 81.14
Malcolm Pierce 81.05
Peter Eurton 80.90
Brendan Walsh 80.85
Jerry Hollendorfer 80.71
Roger Attfield 79.78
Dale Romans 79.75
Jason Servis 79.75
Marcus Vitali 79.65
Mark Casse 79.64
Michael Hushion 79.56
Doug O'Neill 79.28
H. Motion 78.87
Brad Cox 78.85
Thomas Proctor 78.84
Ian Wilkes 78.82
J. Jones 78.80
Michael Maker 78.74
Rudy Rodriguez 78.72
Michelle Nevin 78.67
Roger Brueggemann 78.61
Chris Block 78.34
Wayne Catalano 78.03
Kenneth McPeek 77.84
Kelly Breen 77.45
Eddie Kenneally 77.41
Anthony Dutrow 77.36
Alan Goldberg 77.34
George Arnold, II 77.03
Mike Puype 77.01
Reade Baker 77.01


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
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Aug27 wrote:
Does anyone know: when was the last time the winners of the three triple crown races all faced each other in a race and none of them even hit the board !?
Maybe some kind of record there ...

What a weird year. I guess "parity" comes to thoroughbred racing!

Also of note: in analyzing Beyers of Maiden, Allowance, and Stakes runners (who finished 1-2-3) over the past four years, no one has a higher average Beyer than Bob Baffert.
How does he keep getting the superior stock and performing at such a high level? It really is quite amazing.

Hi Aug27,
I have to agree with you, Baffert's training feats are amazing. You are right again as this Travers is one for the record books. This is the third time in racing history that this happened when three individual winners of the Derby, Preakness and Belmont met up in the Travers. On all 3 occasions the Classic winners were beaten...but this is the first time none finished 2nd or 3rd (though this was by far the largest field to ever meet the classic winners in the Travers)....though the Belmont winner, Tapwrit did manage to finish 4th this year. The last time was in 1982, it was only a five horse field. Runaway Groom won the race, Aloma's Ruler (Preakness winner) was 2nd, Conquistador Cielo (Belmont winner) was 3rd, Lejoli 4th and Gato Del Sol (Derby winner) finished last. Before that the year was 1918 and just 4 horses started in the Travers...with Sun Briar the victor over Belmont Stakes winner Johren 2nd, Preakness winner War Cloud 3rd and Derby winner Exterminator was 4th and last. TJ


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 Post subject: Re: Saratoga Saturday
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:56 pm 
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I don't think Mandella gets the amount of precocious horses thst Baffert does, and doesn't run nearly the quantity of horses, and yet he's second on that list- that's surprising.


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