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Fun project

Postby steward » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:10 pm

I am well into the process of collecting articles from old newspaper archives (pay sites), and compiling a racing calendar for the years 1827 and 1828. I likely will synthesize the material from the 1829 Turf Register to include a compact listing for that year too. Prolly take me 3 or 4 more weeks during the holidays. It is amazing how much material was printed and saved via content-sharing among the newsies of the day.

In addition to the news archives, I will go through the Turf Registers and other early books to squeeze out whatever data can be gotten. The old stud ads and ATR "memoirs" are quite helpful to augment the base materials.

I have collected news articles going back to 1890. But racing calendars are pretty much impossible, once that you go back past 1824 or thereabout.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:31 pm

Having a blast and learning a lot. I can't believe that someone hasn't tackled something like this before. Crickmore did a racing calendar retrospective of the Civil War years in 1901. But nothing comparable since, to my knowledge.

I will self-publish (for a nominal price) when I feel that the matter has been fully researched. I'm also thinking about going backward to 1824-26-ish.

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Re: Fun project

Postby madelyn » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:36 am

Sounds fascinating. I was talking with a jock agent this morning who was recounting growing up the son of a jockey in New Orleans and running the circuit New Orleans-Miami-Cincinnati - back in the day River Downs apparently had crazy purse money.
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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:23 pm

Now covers 1826-1829. Going into 1830 is quite tempting because the ATR was not yet thorough then. It was a real project to convince the sport's participants to respond professionally enough, and adequately report basic racing data.

1825 is a possibility, too. (This is hypnotic, almost.) A lot of heretofore questionable pedigree questions sort themselves out. :)

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:45 pm

1825 now being compiled and nearly complete.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:20 pm

1) Now done with 1824 .... that is as far as one can go and hope to be complete with the top horses, & decently inclusive down to the lowliest race course. In the midst of compiling an index, a rather challenging and labor-intensive task.

2) One cannot overstate the impact of the American Eclipse-Henry match race on the enthusiasm quotient among the general public, and the resulting increased newspaper coverage for horse racing in general the very next year. It allowed me to go back that far in time .... otherwise, beyond that a fruitless endeavor.

3) Scraping every last tidbit from disparate sources has been quite a chore. One discovery led to another, and it became difficult to stop the process. A little depressing, actually. The records of these interesting horses became a personal quest. Their human companions are another story altogether.

4) Along the way, the data led me into a lot of bunny holes that helped me clean up my larger database project.

5) Maybe in a month it will be complete. But tough to let go. I am in the process of contacting the Virginia Historical Society for some race results from the Tree Hill (Richmond) and Norfolk courses.

6) That is all ..... :lol:

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:35 pm

It was America's fascination (if not obsession) with race clockings that led to the eventual universal adoption of one-mile tracks. The incentives to compare performances between races (close and afar) for heat races of 1-mile through 4-mile distances did it. Horse owners who arranged matches, and big bettors, demanded some standardization. Complaints about English practices of irregular courses and distances ... I came across them now and then, but the underlying discontent about American courses not being perfectedly one mile was ever-present. FYI.

By the time that 1824 rolled around, clockings in fractions of seconds arrived.

One more thing .... staging races on a course other than one mile around would mean having the starter being somewhere besides the judges' stand at the finish line. Not good. As it was, there already were extra officials at a distance pole, plus another one beyond the starting line who would flag a false start. The practicalities of heat racing precluded anything other than a one-mile track, preferable 5,280 exactly.

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Still working on it

Postby steward » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:20 pm

Everytine that I think that I have exhausted old sources, something new pops up. Just in the past week, I have added or corrected dozens of items.

But getting close.

I will say this ... there are several runners who deserve to get a sniff from the Hall of Fame, now that their records will more accessible, corrected, and complete.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm

Finished! Very helpful in cleaning up pedigrees of that era.

Have compiled the 1823 races now, too. It corrects some histories, including that of the match race between American Eclipse and Henry. Not a knock ... news accounts were so sketchy.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Tue May 21, 2019 4:52 pm

If any serious researchers care to have a pdf copy, PM me.

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Re: Fun project

Postby Joltman » Tue May 21, 2019 8:06 pm

Hey Steward

This sounds like a monumental task, and one that could have some implications for data geeks who track the old stuff. Have you done an Executive summary for it, explaining the where/why and what fors of it all? It raises a lot of interesting questions for me, like the role of the county fairs in the early days.


Any interest from some of the pedigree explorers out there - including some who track this site ?


FYI - I have a book on Va Racing that has some stuff from the early days (if I can find) it - published maybe 5 yrs ago.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Thu May 23, 2019 2:10 pm

This project was limited by spotty newspaper coverage during that era. Thus, it is hit and miss for what it includes.

That being said, other resources were used to flesh it out. There are jockey club records for two cities in VA for example. In short, the race "charts" for the horses in the upper tiers are pretty much complete, and fitted to actual dates (which is a leap forward by itself). However, that does not mean that they have all of the information regarding finishes, clockings, etc. While I occasionally stumble over another entry or two even now, most of the unknown material is forever lost to time.

There are other sources of value. Everything is ordered chronologically so that it is easy to track the movements of horses and their owners as they travelled through the seasons. Having things organized lets one understand the racing environment in general. Also, there are tidbits of information that contradict some details in modern histories.

I could go on further but there are many pages of other explanations contained in the work. Again ... free pdf for asking.

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Re: Fun project

Postby steward » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:25 am

Since my last post I have discovered much more information and have updated. But the end of the project is pretty much here now. It will take pay archive sites to add more newspapers to generate more updates


I have donated a beta copy to Keeneland and will donate a current one soon. Plus to a few of the other important racing libraries.

One site that was very helpful for this project lately (and for my family history research) is here. A state-by-state index to a ton of online newspapers. Bookmark this.

https://www.theancestorhunt.com/newspap ... Dz4lHpIv7x