It's Rok and I against the WORLD!!!

[Rokeby Forever]

It's in the hands of Roguelet now. Your bullshit has been called out and that's all there is to it.

What's the constant lying that you try to avoid me...so that you can come on a thread with my ID in the title? Why not avoid it? Because you can't - you're an attention whore monger and you're a public liar, Sam. And whatever happens is now in the hands of Roguelet. You've been caught hijacking, baiting, cursing, and looking to start a fight - exactly what Roguelet has implored posters NOT to do. You have no respect for Roguelet, or you wouldn't behave like someone that needs a dose of Thorazine once an hour.

[bdw0617]

It's in the hands of Roguelet now. Your bullshit has been called out and that's all there is to it.

What's the constant lying that you try to avoid me...so that you can come on a thread with my ID in the title? Why not avoid it? Because you can't - you're an attention whore monger and you're a public liar, Sam. And whatever happens is now in the hands of Roguelet. You've been caught hijacking, baiting, cursing, and looking to start a fight - exactly what Roguelet has implored posters NOT to do. You have no respect for Roguelet, or you wouldn't behave like someone that needs a dose of Thorazine once an hour.

the more I think about it,t he fact that I got cursed at, called a fool, and got picked on for most of the day because I didn't bow down to the Super horse street sense (and I say that tounge in cheek) isn't that exactly what you are blaming me for?.. which now can't prove I did in the first place?

fact is, if I would have made a post stating how much I loved Street Sense in this race, and posted the reasons why, this thread wouldn't have been 5 posts long. which proves my point that the only reason we are having this conversation is because of a difference of opinions

[Rokeby Forever]

Street Sense was all out to beat Grasshopper, underscoring how weak the three year old routers really are - all of them. Sightseeing ran like a bum, but Street Sense was all out to beat a nobody - if he's the best of the three year old routers, it's a sorry division this year. If there were any depth to it, it wouldn't have been a seven horse race with a nobody losing by a head....and a bigger nobody finishing third. Sightseeing was pathetic, CP West was pathetic...it was a reflection of a bad crop, which everyone seems to think is super strong. If it were strong, Grasshopper wouldn't have even run.

[Sam]

what I think is going on with Sam, and to a smaller extent maven, is that they have been here longer then we have.. alot longer.. and for say... 2 plus years, they have been used to people agreeing with everything they write, and not used to someone being very opinionated.

OMG, you really aren't that blind, are you? I suggest you do a little back reading. Very few people here agree with and NO ONE here is really intimidated by or afraid of me. They may chose to avoid me, which some can interpret as being intimidated, but that's far from the truth.

I spotted Sam from jump street.. the way you took cheap shots at my spelling errors.. did I ever say one bad thing about you in return although I had every right to? But i'm an asshole.

I'm trying to remember where I called you an asshole. Idiot, puppy, yes... but I don't recall asshole (not saying I didn't, just that I don't remember). There's only two here who've earned that distinction.

As for your spelling -- if you chose to continue to harp on that, I suggest you also respond in kind to the OTHER PEOPLE who agreed with me. It was not your spelling I objected to -- it was your sheer laziness in correcting the problem. Find a spellchecker and use it.

The only effective way to reach people with the written word and make an impression is to make the effort to write clearly and concisely. When you refuse to use the tools available (spellcheck programmes are free, I've even told you what to google in order to find one), you give others the impression you are lazy. If you don't care enough to make sure your correspondence is coherent and (at least most) spelling errors are removed, why should anyone care what you have to say?

The only REAL thing Rok and I have in common is that we aren't afraid to tell you how we fell about something

Neither am I.

I would have gotten some replies, it would have been a good read... but the second you say "Rok and I against the world" you HAD to open it, to see what it was. I grabbed your attention.

As a collective "you", possible. As a specific "you" -- meaning me, wrong, but you're welcome to continue believing so. I didn't even bother to open the thread until I saw others (whose opinions I do respect and posts I do like reading) started responding. YOU did nothing to garner my attention with that subject heading. The people who responded to you did.

[CA Michael]

Rokeby, I agree with you. IMO Rogue gives Sam a free pass on the Rules of this forum, likely because Sam apparently does some work on the pedigree site.

I have also called her on it and am still awaiting a response.

[bdw0617]

I used to be one that thought this was a great band of 3YO's but I'm starting to rethink that opinion.

Other than SS and Curlins Preakness.. nothing really jumps out at me like "WOW"

The most impressive race I've seen all year, regardless of anything was Magnificance's Grade 3 win in her 2nd start in 1:07 and change


like I said.. I've seen worse than 2:02 (see last weeks pacific classic), however 2:02 for a grade 1 is nothing to write home about


throw in he had a perfect stalking trip and the rail skimming ride to get it, and it's less impressive

throw in he was all out to beat Grasshopper, even more so

let's say it's a 10 horse field and there are 2 horses on the rail and he has to go a little wider.. considering he was all out. he looses. I mean I've seen worse races, and I'm starting to think that the best 3YO's in the country are SS, AGS and Rags, however what is that really saying in the grand scheme of things... if you put them in a race with Lion Heart, Borrego and Smarty Jones... what happens?

[bdw0617]

what I think is going on with Sam, and to a smaller extent maven, is that they have been here longer then we have.. alot longer.. and for say... 2 plus years, they have been used to people agreeing with everything they write, and not used to someone being very opinionated.

OMG, you really aren't that blind, are you? I suggest you do a little back reading. Very few people here agree with and NO ONE here is really intimidated by or afraid of me. They may chose to avoid me, which some can interpret as being intimidated, but that's far from the truth.

I spotted Sam from jump street.. the way you took cheap shots at my spelling errors.. did I ever say one bad thing about you in return although I had every right to? But i'm an asshole.

I'm trying to remember where I called you an asshole. Idiot, puppy, yes... but I don't recall asshole (not saying I didn't, just that I don't remember). There's only two here who've earned that distinction.

As for your spelling -- if you chose to continue to harp on that, I suggest you also respond in kind to the OTHER PEOPLE who agreed with me. It was not your spelling I objected to -- it was your sheer laziness in correcting the problem. Find a spellchecker and use it.

The only effective way to reach people with the written word and make an impression is to make the effort to write clearly and concisely. When you refuse to use the tools available (spellcheck programmes are free, I've even told you what to google in order to find one), you give others the impression you are lazy. If you don't care enough to make sure your correspondence is coherent and (at least most) spelling errors are removed, why should anyone care what you have to say?

The only REAL thing Rok and I have in common is that we aren't afraid to tell you how we fell about something

Neither am I.

I would have gotten some replies, it would have been a good read... but the second you say "Rok and I against the world" you HAD to open it, to see what it was. I grabbed your attention.

As a collective "you", possible. As a specific "you" -- meaning me, wrong, but you're welcome to continue believing so. I didn't even bother to open the thread until I saw others (whose opinions I do respect and posts I do like reading) started responding. YOU did nothing to garner my attention with that subject heading. The people who responded to you did.

1. I don't know you well enough to know how you think


2. Yes I was talking about a collective you. I didn't write this thread to get under Sam's skin

3. If you are ignoring me for the sake of ignoring me with no basis of why, you are making a mistake. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to handicapping, and I'm not pumping myself up, but at the same time, I might throw out something you could use. The biggest score I got this year (Bright Prediction, hollywood park, I think July 1st, it was the horse that caused that 3.2 Million dollar carryover) and one of the biggest I ever hit, 73 to freakin 1, I can attribute to knowledge i learned from posters on this forum, nothing else, in particular maven.

I come here to converse, but more than anything to suck up anything I can as far as knowledge.

[Rokeby Forever]

You've already been called out as a liar and a hijacker, Sam...it's now in the hands of Roguelet.

About BDW's spelling...other "people" agreed with you? Tiz and who else? Who else was petty enough to even make mention of it? And Sam, you've made spelling errors since I called you out on your spelling faux pas...just so ya know.

[Sam]

1. I don't know you well enough to know how you think

Could have fooled me. If you truly believed that, BD, you wouldn't have posted the following:

what I think is going on with Sam, and to a smaller extent maven, is that they have been here longer then we have.. alot longer.. and for say... 2 plus years, they have been used to people agreeing with everything they write, and not used to someone being very opinionated.

2. Yes I was talking about a collective you. I didn't write this thread to get under Sam's skin

*noddin'* I figured as much.

3. If you are ignoring me for the sake of ignoring me with no basis of why, you are making a mistake.

I don't recall saying I was ignoring you, BD. The arrogance of that statement and the constant bragging about what a great handicapper you are is pretty tiresome, though.

Rule of thumb -- no one who's truly great at what they do has to self-promote. Arrogance is fine, but only when it's tempered by humility. You've shown plenty of the first and precious little of the second.

I know what I'm talking about when it comes to handicapping, and I'm not pumping myself up, but at the same time, I might throw out something you could use. The biggest score I got this year (Bright Prediction, hollywood park, I think July 1st, it was the horse that caused that 3.2 Million dollar carryover) and one of the biggest I ever hit, 73 to freakin 1, I can attribute to knowledge i learned from posters on this forum, nothing else, in particular maven.

Yeah, actually you do indulge in a lot of self-pimping, BD. The bolded statement is a good example of it.

I come here to converse, but more than anything to suck up anything I can as far as knowledge.

Agreed.

As far as this thread, I'm going to suggest you go back and read it from the start, BD. NO WHERE will you find me making fun of you and gloating because you picked a loser. In fact, if you do a search, you'll even find a thread where I virtually slapped Maven for doing so to Roke after one of Boca Grande's losses. *I* didn't even come into the thread until the third page and then it was only to post my thoughts on Helsinki. My next post was directed to Maven in response to comments she made about Helsinki. In fact, until these last two pages, I only responded to you twice where I attempted to point out that there was a difference between attacking THE HORSE (not any one person, which I never accused you of doing) and saying there was no value in playing him (which you didn't really start doing until after the race).

As for you, Roke... I suggest you go find Georgez' reprimand of BD wherein he also states he was not born here and worked his butt off to be able to read and write English properly. I would then suggest you get over this self-importance kick you're on and remember that until you posted all those moronic quotes -- that had zero to do with this thread and was your attempt at hijacking a thread about the Travers into a political debate while trying to provoke a response from me -- I HAD been ignoring you. YOU chose to respond to a rhetorical statement -- THAT WASN'T EVEN DIRECTED AT YOU -- with something that had nothing to do with this thread (which, contrary to your delusions, is NOT about you, was never about you, and is not your exclusive domain). That's a hijack -- it was also a bait and you know it. You couldn't get me to respond to you even when you quoted me, so you resorted to trying to hijack the thread by responding to a rhetorical statement that wasn't even directed at you and label me Democrat by implication (still trying to find out how being a Democrat or a Republican became a slur. Again, I vote for political representives -- regardless of party-- YOU cheer for a f*cking sports team).

You also need to be reminded that I'm not the only person who's been posting about how much of a disturbance you are and how repulsive some of your earlier posts were. There's far more people publicly posting against you than there are for you.

From personal experience, the most idiotic thing you can do on any forum is to publicly call out the moderator. Go back and examine your posts since I came into this thread, especially the post that eventually got me to respond to you. Your neck is now on the chopping block, not mine. I may get days, but I'm not the only one who's earned them.

Again, if (collective) you don't care enough to make your posts as error free as possible, why should anyone else care what you have to say?

[Rokeby Forever]

Rokeby, I agree with you. IMO Rogue gives Sam a free pass on the Rules of this forum, likely because Sam apparently does some work on the pedigree site.

I have also called her on it and am still awaiting a response.

That's an interesting opinion, CA Michael.

[Rokeby Forever]

....while trying to provoke a response from me -- I HAD been ignoring you. YOU chose to respond to a rhetorical statement -- THAT WASN'T EVEN DIRECTED AT YOU

The statement?

I don't think too many are waiting for him to admit he was wrong... Bush will admit he f*cked up by going to Iraq first.

Who is, "him," you liar? Not directed at me?

Ignoring me...by writing about me? Sam, you're a liar. I had already written that Seeseeing sucked BEFORE you wrote that - your second quote was a direct bait. IT'S UP TO ROGUELET TO NOW ENFORCE THE RULES

On page 6, post 3, Maven reminded me that I earlier wrote:

This is showtime for the Sightseeing- if he doesn't win this one, I'll concede that he's just not as good as I thought he'd be (barring a legit excuse)....and not as good as Shug thought he'd be, either.

The VERY next post, I wrote:

Yep, he's not as good as hoped.

You later wrote:

I don't think too many are waiting for him to admit he was wrong... Bush will admit he f*cked up by going to Iraq first.

You're nothing but a baiting LIAR! It's up to Roguelet to stop this crap from you!

[Heidilady]

Rokeby, I agree with you. IMO Rogue gives Sam a free pass on the Rules of this forum, likely because Sam apparently does some work on the pedigree site.

I have also called her on it and am still awaiting a response.

That's an interesting opinion, CA Michael.

Actually in the context of what I read Michael I'll beg to disagree a smidge on this being a 'Rogue gives a free pass' party time for Sam. I think some points needed to be made but there's a caveat what with the swearing. While I will respectfully submit to Sam that the language could stand a little cleaning up I'll also say that I agree that, whatever Rok and bdw believe and are fully entitled to embrace in a free country however illogical it may seem to some, they most certainly aren't helping their cause in terms of discussion maturity. I don't want to single Sam out on the language but I only read the first and last two pages to see what happened to the discussion post-Sightseeing touting so Sam's simply the only one I noticed. Just in terms of making your (general "you") discussions better for others to take an interest in, the format of some of bdw's posts just makes me want to skim rather than try to take it all in--seriously, some of you need to meet my friends asterisk and single-space.

I can't begin to count the number of threads that involve Rok and bdw going back and forth and everyone else has abandoned it because, my theory, they chalk you up to strong personalities without the expertise that they might have and they just go 'ah screw it, they're just having a pat-myself-on-the-back-and-challenge-all-comers-athon' which may or may not be true but we're talking perception here. I'm just telling you it seems to be more and more common that it ends up being the two of you and might as well be taking place over email or PM for all the community involvement that goes on. It just runs counter to the idea of a forum in the first place. Some folks here are quite experienced and don't have time or energy to get into a p*ssing contest (note the use of self-bleeping...yes, I just bleeped myself and whilst that may sound dirty, it was actually the antithesis). Roguelet would do well to just give all 3 of you a warning (for various reasons, some more serious than others) and delete this thread outright. I have seen everyone in the posts that I've read contribute thoughtfully in some other thread on this board and I'd really appreciate you having the opportunity to do so in the future. Let's not get ourselves kicked off the forum right?

[bdw0617]

so let me get this straight.


If I see a post about say.. I don't know....what's something everyone here is okay about... The tin man.

And I post something about say the time of his last race

and rok posts something about another race

and I post something about something else that goes with the subject


again...you are talking but you aren't saying nothing.


I post alot because i watch probably more races than anyone here. Therefore I have alot of opinions.

Again, i use these things called facts and and I can usually back up what I think with something pretty darn revelant.


since when is that Taking over the forum?


I don't swear. I'm as nice as can be if you ever meet me. I respect everyone here. but somehow I'm this evil guy that no one likes.


Again, I'm illogical?

I wrote a damn near 1000 word post on breaking down EXACTLY why I didn't like Street Sense in this race, the theory behind it, and why I would do it again. Very FACTUAL.


but then I get 10 word sentences telling me i'm a fool because of my pick.

all this because of a horse that I don't think is going to win a grade 1 race?

Again.. all I ask is people back up what they say. calling me a fool, illogical is very off base. I'm as logical as they come. Picking winning horses and handicapping requires two totally different mindsets.

Sam said I was being aggressive with people and mouthing off.. I told her to post 1 reference and I'll give anyone for that matter who can in about this race 50 bucks.. notice how the subject changed from me mouthing off to something that has nothing to do with that. I still stand behind that. however I bet this part of this post will get ever so cleverly left out of any response.

The only reason I'm even typing this now is because I refuse to take slanted remarks from people without calling them out. this is nothing to do with street sense in the least bit.


And again.. I'll give you rok and storm cat. but besides that.. what has the guy honestly done to get under anyone's skin? Honestly? he seems like a likable, friendly person who is passionate about horse racing.

I've never, not ONCE seem him curse someone who disagrees with him.

I've never seen him throw a temper tantrum when people don't agree with him.

I've never seen him run from an a topic.

Actually, people seem to be tossing him under the bridge because he has an opinion that is varying from yours. Rather he's RIGHT or not shouldn't be the issue. if someone can explain to me why they feel the way they feel about something, it's something interesting to listen to.

Take poly track. I'm not the biggest fan.. however there are people here who ARE fans that i listen to and I learn about the good qualities that it brings to the table. maybe one day I will change my view point because of it.

[Rokeby Forever]

Heidi...on Roguelet's thread, "To: those STILL intent on baiting and fighting," you didn't have anything to say - your comments would have been timely and appreciated. You now write:

I can't begin to count the number of threads that involve Rok and bdw going back and forth and everyone else has abandoned

Respectfully submitted: The name of this thread should give a hint as to which posters are likely to post comments on it. If "everyone else" is being chased away by BWD and me, they could have simply avoided this thread, knowing the thread would contain our posts. Did they? Posters include:

Shergar
Tucumcari
Maven
Dray33
Zinn21
Foggynote
Playwithfire
Wilf
Jagger
Horsenuts
Sam
Pfrsue

Roguelet has already issued her warning - to ALL members. Sam has clearly disregarded that warning with her baiting. One member has already been penalized.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd like you to supply a link where I've had a "p*ssing contest" with anyone except Sam. Or, cut and paste that member's post and my response to it.

Heidilady, I read your posts and find them informative. Have we ever argued...about anything?

To say I have no experience in this game isn't accurate. As an owner and as someone once connected with the finest racing stable in the world (My ID should give a hint), I'll swap backstretch experiences with anyone.

[bdw0617]

and you couldn't possibly be more offbase with the comment about me and rok driving people away.

Most of the better threads are ones we have some input in. That brings in a varying degree of opinions on one subject. Just because I start a topic and rok responds, that's not "taking over the forum" which some would like to believe


I'm not saying him and I are the backbone of this place.. god no.


however we aren't the problem, if there is even one, with this place.