Louis's Blog on Inbreeding

[BenB]

New rules again, Louis just keep gooiing further alone. But please try to learn something from the world outside names.

[louis finochio]

GOLDEN BAY (USA) b. C, 2012 {14-f} DP = 5-2-11-0-0 (18) DI = 2.27 CD = 0.67 - 1 Starts, 0 Wins, 0 Places, 0 Shows Career Earnings: Unplaced

Owner: Francis J. Paolangeli
Breeder: Richard J. Troncone & Richard J. Troncone Jr.
State Bred: NY

Euthanized after a suffering a catastrophic right hind leg injury in his career debut, Race 6 at Aqueduct on January 2, 2015.

GOLDEN BAY b. C, 2012
Touch Gold---True Legend, by Gold Legend

Golden Bay was a type 1 FB, being inbred to 3 Ph. stallions, 4 X 4 X 5 ND---4 X 5 Mr. Prospector---5 X 5 Nearctic.
One Ph. mare 5 X 5 Natalma.

Golden Bay has 22 crosses Ph. stallions & 11 crosses Ph. mares. These type 1 FB carrie the hightest risk for unsoundness.

[BenB]

An half also FB 1

HOOK IT UP (USA) b. F, 2009 {14-f} DP = 6-1-9-0-0 (16) DI = 2.56 CD = 0.81 - 21 Starts, 4 Wins, 2 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: $83,173

http://www.drf.com/news/handle-fataliti ... track-meet

The full list and not one handpicked:

10/31/2014 Summer Sunset Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
10/31/2014 Jesses Giant Dunk Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
11/12/2014 Knockher Off Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
11/28/2014 Cherokee Artist Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/03/2014 Princes On The Lake Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/04/2014 Warrior's Hero Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/05/2014 Half Nelson Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/05/2014 Quick Money Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/10/2014 Sage Valley Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/11/2014 Ludo Bagman Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/26/2014Celebrate We Will Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)
12/27/2014Wicked Irish Aqueduct Racetrack (NYRA)

Wicked Irish came back after an lay off from two yrs and most of them were bottom low claimers. Note that the bunch was in December, when there was and still are freezing temperatures and any racing surfaces is hindered from that. But most the old warriors competing in them low claiming ranks.

Apex broke down yesterday. btw. After that they cancelled the meets because of the weather. Everyone with an right mind should abollish racing in this situation.

[louis finochio]

If a breeder or buyer wants to purhase a type 1 FB, he knows the risk factor of unsoundness is high. If a breeder wants to purchase a NFB, the unsoundness is a low risk.

Those type 2 FB , with fewer crosses of PH. & inbreeding to those NP stallions & mares bring soundness into play.

[louis finochio]

APEX (USA) b. G, 2010 {5-h} DP = 7-2-25-1-1 (36) DI = 1.48 CD = 0.36 - 23 Starts, 5 Wins, 5 Places, 2 Shows Career Earnings: $231,256

Owner: Class Personified Stable and Steve Klesaris
Breeder: Claiborne Farm & Adele B. Dilschneider
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 23 Starts: 5 - 5 - 2, $231,256

Foaled February 13, 2010.
Broke maiden in 7th start, $40k Saratoga mdn. claiming, August 21, 2013. Claimed by North Shore Racing (tr. Bruce Bown), from Dilschneider & Claiborne.
Claimed 4 starts later at Aqueduct for $12.5k by own/tr. Dennis Lalman, Jan. 12, 2014.
Claimed for $32k at AQU by S. Klesaris, Dec. 4, 2014.
Euthanized after breaking down in a race at Aqueduct, January 9, 2015.

APEX b. G, 2010
Dynaformer---Enth, by Seeking the Gold

Apex was a NFB, being inbred to 2 Ph. stallions, 4 X 5 Turn-to---4 X 5 Nashua. One NP stallion, 5 X 5 Hasty Road=Teddy.

Apex had prolific crosses of NP mares, together with inbreeding to the NP stallion Hasty Road. Both factors contributed to breeding for soundness.

[BenB]

Lous, specially for nuts like you:


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... n-kentucky

Louis, comment all off the horses that went down, and not an easy one.

[BenB]

How many times do you think that this FB has been running up to now????

http://www.pedigreequery.com/general+tufto

[louis finochio]

General Tufto is a FB by his inbreeding. When you find a FB, you will then trace all their NP sire lines, of stallions & mares. General Tufto has prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares to offset his inbreeding to all those Ph. stallions & mares.

We dont find those prolific crosses of NP stallions & mares in those FB, that have sustained career ending injuries. I would be a bidder on General Tufto.

[louis finochio]

The soundness study that, Kentucky did, is flawed. The correct way to do the search, is to breakdown those tb pedigrees, that sustained injuries.

Separate those FB & NFB, & find the unsoundness. Were those outcross tb, sounder, or were those FB sustaining more injuries ?

[ct2346]

The soundness study that, Kentucky did, is flawed.

Merriam and Webster please call me immediately. I have a hallmark example for the pot calling the kettle black.

[louis finochio]

I have been researching pedigrees since the 60s. I have seen what it takes to breed a sound tb. Those FB with prolific crosses of Ph. have the racers edge of unsoundness. When those FB stallions go to stud, their soundnest progeny, are bred from mares that have prolific crosses of NP, stallions & mares.

[BenB]

Kentucky did not an soundness study, they brought the breakdown rate back to the lowest in the whole US. But clearly you do not understand even after ten yrs, that breakdowns are the results from many things, shoeiing, tracks, conditioning, conformation, gaits, luck, medication and pedigree.

Taken one thing out and highlight only that, is not working even DR. R. Arthur mentioned that some yrs ago.

[louis finochio]

You left out inbreeding to one sire line in the present Ben. Dr. R. Arthur, said that there is many possible causes to unsoundness, including inbreeding.

[BenB]

Bad breeding is just one part of the pie. Lots off reseachers preeching for inbreeding, because the results (winners) are astonishing,

[louis finochio]

Hybrid Vigor, soundness, longevity, are created when you inbred to 2, 3, or more differnt sire lines. With our breed in the present, those types of matings are becoming a needle in the haystack.