Last day Keeneland

[Rachel Alexandra]

Wow, how extremely different view you posted than the one you actually acted out there at Keeneland. Word got around quickly at how rude you were to Keeneland employees (after you RNA your horses) and how you stated you would "never come back to this F**king place". Perhaps next time you should watch what you say when there are other people standing around. Keeneland does not need Indian Charlie (not the critter) to get news spread around. You RNAed ($11,500, $5,500 and $3,700) your three yearlings that got better prices than some very well bred horses (Smarty Jones x stakes winning mare sold for $2,500) and you expected people to give you more for your colored horses that couldn't out run a fat man??? Lady, you should have took the money and ran.

Your damn right. It was a cluster of a mess trying to get out of Keeneland. The loading area was full, and lines backed up, people sitting around chatting instead of moving up and getting out of the way. To top things off the office was closing and I had to simutaniously load and get up to the office to get my release papers. Yes I have a mouth, but as everyone else we were tierd. Who has ever heard of closing a sales office while people are trying to load up and leave. Trust me, whoever you are, we were not the only ones disgusted at the mess, others were cussing just the same. At least I didn't just leave my yearlings standing in stalls for someone to find and take away!!!!!!! Callan Strous met us at the sales office to help his client try and purchase our Art In Motion colt and I told him the office was closing, that we barely got our leave papers. When we went in to get the transfer and payment done, the 2 70 year old men looked at us from behind the counter and said, sorry out of luck, "credit" is gone" No wonder the TB industry is in trouble. Callan had some choice things to say also and he had been doing this for 35 years. So whoever you are who cares if I lost my temper, who the hell doesn't?!

You should read over the the catalog and pay attention to detail. Keeneland does not let people just load up their RNAs and take them home without proof that the horses are really yours. NO ONE takes a horse off the grounds without proper papers. This is Keenelands way to keep from those yearlings standing in stalls and for just "someone to find and take away". There are hoops that you have to jump through to get your horses off the grounds, that is how Keeneland protects the horses from getting stolen.
Next time read up on what you have to do and remember that Keeneland is not a backyard auction barn. Sorry you had a bad sale and had to take it out on people that were just doing their jobs.

[Rachel Alexandra]

[quote="reedhill"]Wow, how extremely different view you posted than the one you actually acted out there at Keeneland. Word got around quickly at how rude you were to Keeneland employees (after you RNA your horses) and how you stated you would "never come back to this F**king place". Perhaps next time you should watch what you say when there are other people standing around. Keeneland does not need Indian Charlie (not the critter) to get news spread around. You RNAed ($11,500, $5,500 and $3,700) your three yearlings that got better prices than some very well bred horses (Smarty Jones x stakes winning mare sold for $2,500) and you expected people to give you more for your colored horses that couldn't out run a fat man??? Lady, you should have took the money and ran.

Your damn right. It was a cluster of a mess trying to get out of Keeneland. The loading area was full, and lines backed up, people sitting around chatting instead of moving up and getting out of the way. To top things off the office was closing and I had to simutaniously load and get up to the office to get my release papers. Yes I have a mouth, but as everyone else we were tierd. Who has ever heard of closing a sales office while people are trying to load up and leave. Trust me, whoever you are, we were not the only ones disgusted at the mess, others were cussing just the same. At least I didn't just leave my yearlings standing in stalls for someone to find and take away!!!!!!! Callan Strous met us at the sales office to help his client try and purchase our Art In Motion colt and I told him the office was closing, that we barely got our leave papers. When we went in to get the transfer and payment done, the 2 70 year old men looked at us from behind the counter and said, sorry out of luck, "credit is gone" No wonder the TB industry is in trouble. Callan had some choice things to say also and he had been doing this for 35 years. So whoever you are who cares if I lost my temper, who the hell doesn't?!

As far as mine outrunning a fat man, you must be GOD then, the all time know it all, get a life! You don't know if mine can run or not. Don't compare mine to anything. Maybe you are just sick about whats in your pasture?? I'm not.[/quote]

My pasture is empty and my pockets are full. I have a realistic view of the industry. Your horses were beautiful for color but they would look better under a western saddle than a racing saddle. You really should have taken that $$.

[Sysonby]

Interpersonal stuff aside, I have to admit I was watching for your sales results with some interest because other than their color which wasn't evident on a page there was no other reason I could see why someone shopping for a racing prospect at Keeneland should be interested in these horses.

Take this in the spirit in which it is given but TB buyers at auction generally don't buy late July foals. Also take a good look at Heliodorus' page--there is virtually nothing there for 4 generations. These horses were foaled in Tennessee so they have no statebred cache by a stalllion who won $3000 on the track and who himself hasn't proven he can sire a winner and only 1 of the three dams had a winner and that one was by a real racehorse named Stalwart.

It is admirable that you want to breed for the track but you can't expect people to do what you won't do yourself. If you want these babies raced, you've got to race them. Its been done before--you could argue that Smokester had nothing going for him when he started at stud but then he was supported by his owner because she bred and raced those babies herself.

[reedhill]

My pasture is empty and my pockets are full. I have a realistic view of the industry. Your horses were beautiful for color but they would look better under a western saddle than a racing saddle. You really should have taken that $$.

Good for you, I guess? I too have a realistic view of the TB industry, and it looks like crap to me, but I didn't cause it, GREED did! I knew I wasn't going to sell when we took them up there, I figured our chances were very slim, just as the hundreds of others that pulled out did. Hearts and lives were ripped out of sellers this year, as we watched some exceptional equines going through. Everyone had to make a choice at the last minute of what to do. I wanted international exposure, and more and that's what I got. We were not interested in going to anyother sale other than Fasig-Tipton, we wanted exposure and got it. Some say, wow, 3k is a lot to spend............not quite when you look at the money it takes to advertise in magazines which don't do anygood since no one can see them for themselves and form an opinion. I only saw pictures being taken of great conformed yearlings. If mine had bad conformation and didn't make people think twice if only for a second, I don't think peole would have been complimenting us all day on thier color AND conformation and photographing them all day. Color will run and win and you all that think you know it all, will be eating your words.

[reedhill]

Sysonby if we could financially put special ones in training we would and you wounldn't be having to tell me something I already know. Sure it would help if we could prove them first, in a perfect world were money grows on trees in beautiful TN.

Again, I know that the dam's pedigrees are weak, but my dam's had great conformation and movement and coming from a backround in show performance, that was #1 for us. GOSH, we weren't born into money and don't make much, but I wanted the worlrd to see we know what they need to look like, I have said in other posts many times, that we will be slowly changing our mares out to stakes winners or stakes producers, they are not hard to find these days, but it takes time. I'm not going to sell all of my mares that are bred to our palomino and white stallions, just to run and buy more race worthy BM's. I am breeding for myself right now, creating color I want to breed back to great stallions later. This has always been my plan and I'm sticking to it. I'm not breeding good or crap, that in is this horrible "correction of greed" people call it, will only bring $1000, and I have proved that. Our white colt Heliodoris has alreday sold this am for much more money then offered at Keeneland. Don't think this TN redneck doesn't know what she is doing, because you are mistaken.

[Sysonby]

Sysonby if we could financially put special ones in training we would and you wounldn't be having to tell me something I already know. Sure it would help if we could prove them first, in a perfect world were money grows on trees in beautiful TN.

Again, I know that the dam's pedigrees are weak, but my dam's had great conformation and movement and coming from a backround in show performance, that was #1 for us. GOSH, we weren't born into money and don't make much, but I wanted the worlrd to see we know what they need to look like, I have said in other posts many times, that we will be slowly changing our mares out to stakes winners or stakes producers, they are not hard to find these days, but it takes time. I'm not going to sell all of my mares that are bred to our palomino and white stallions, just to run and buy more race worthy BM's. I am breeding for myself right now, creating color I want to breed back to great stallions later. This has always been my plan and I'm sticking to it. I'm not breeding good or crap, that in is this horrible "correction of greed" people call it, will only bring $1000, and I have proved that. Our white colt Heliodoris has alreday sold this am for much more money then offered at Keeneland. Don't think this TN redneck doesn't know what she is doing, because you are mistaken.

You don't need to be defensive because honestly no snark was intended at least from this quarter. You also need to realize that you post on this board some of your audience actually has dug deep and raced their homebreds in an attempt to create value on otherwise lackluster pages because they believed in what they bred. Some of us don't have a ton of money and we've done it anyway-- no matter how crazy people in our real lives think we are. Some of us might actually have advice borne from experience--if you are willing to listen.

Otherwise you can just complain about being misunderstood. Hopefully that is working for you.

[Sock Monkey]

I am breeding for myself right now

I don't get this. If you are breeding for yourself wouldn't that mean that YOU are going to race them? Why then are you trying to sell them and get someone else to run them? It seems like it's one or the other.

It also seems like the market has repeatedly shown that wildly colored TBs attract a lot of attention but buyers aren't interested in investing the money unless there is a lot of page to back up the color. Yet, I see more and more people breeding for color with the anticipation that someone will buy and race their stock. What is the rationale behind this?

Congratulations on the sale of your colt.

[reedhill]

You don't need to be defensive because honestly no snark was intended at least from this quarter. You also need to realize that you post on this board some of your audience actually has dug deep and raced their homebreds in an attempt to create value on otherwise lackluster pages because they believed in what they bred. Some of us don't have a ton of money and we've done it anyway-- no matter how crazy people in our real lives think we are. Some of us might actually have advice borne from experience--if you are willing to listen. Otherwise you can just complain about being misunderstood. Hopefully that is working for you.

I know you are not attacking Synsonby, I'm just trying to tell people here and in "SALES" that are being Snarky, what our plan is. If and when we have the money, will will put our gifted ones in training, that would be the journey of all times for us. But in the meantime we have to offer them for sale. I'm not complaining, doubt I am misunderstood as I write in english, merely responding to feedback.

[reedhill]

I am breeding for myself right now

I don't get this. If you are breeding for yourself wouldn't that mean that YOU are going to race them? Why then are you trying to sell them and get someone else to run them? It seems like it's one or the other.

It also seems like the market has repeatedly shown that wildly colored TBs attract a lot of attention but buyers aren't interested in investing the money unless there is a lot of page to back up the color. Yet, I see more and more people breeding for color with the anticipation that someone will buy and race their stock. What is the rationale behind this?

Congratulations on the sale of your colt.

I am breeding to get "bling" from the white and sabinos which require specific pedigrees. And for "dilute" palomino, buckskin and later cremello and perlino. We can't keep all the colt's no one can. I really didn't want to sell Alla Aurora, as she will be a valuable BM to us one day. As most of our mares foal out this year, I will be keeping certain colored fillies as BM's, sell the rest, and replace our mares with the best bred racing mare or BM we can afford. Please don't put me into a catagory with all other colored breeders, some of us take offense to that. There are a few serious color breeders that are bringing "in the blood", and yes, you will always have those that are not breeding to race but strictly for the show ring or pleasure. I know mine will all not race. Nobody in the TB industry thinks that though. How many thousands are "dumped" for adoption or slaughter that won't/can't race by top TB breeders, the numbers are so staggering it's sickning. At least the color breeder can HOPE that if they are not cut out for the gruel of the track, that they will go on to a show home if they can walk-trot-canter.

[reedhill]

ps, Thank you for the Congrads on our sale. Kay and Joe are the home anyone would want for their baby, wish we could clone them for everyone!

[Rachel Alexandra]

My pasture is empty and my pockets are full. I have a realistic view of the industry. Your horses were beautiful for color but they would look better under a western saddle than a racing saddle. You really should have taken that $$.

Good for you, I guess? I too have a realistic view of the TB industry, and it looks like crap to me, but I didn't cause it, GREED did! I knew I wasn't going to sell when we took them up there, I figured our chances were very slim, just as the hundreds of others that pulled out did. Hearts and lives were ripped out of sellers this year, as we watched some exceptional equines going through. Everyone had to make a choice at the last minute of what to do. I wanted international exposure, and more and that's what I got. We were not interested in going to anyother sale other than Fasig-Tipton, we wanted exposure and got it. Some say, wow, 3k is a lot to spend............not quite when you look at the money it takes to advertise in magazines which don't do anygood since no one can see them for themselves and form an opinion. I only saw pictures being taken of great conformed yearlings. If mine had bad conformation and didn't make people think twice if only for a second, I don't think peole would have been complimenting us all day on thier color AND conformation and photographing them all day. Color will run and win and you all that think you know it all, will be eating your words.

Your horses were being photographed for their color and nothing more. There were a lot of horses with good conformation but without a page they bring nothing. Good conformation does not equal ability to run and win.
"International" was hardly at Keeneland the last two days. Whoever told you that is a fool and thinks Oklahoma and Texas as international.
Color has run and won but more than likely it was bought for its pedigree more than its color. There is always a nice handful of yearlings with splashes of color that go through Keeneland but that is not what attracts the buyer to them.

[reedhill]

Your horses were being photographed for their color and nothing more. There were a lot of horses with good conformation but without a page they bring nothing. Good conformation does not equal ability to run and win.
"International" was hardly at Keeneland the last two days. Whoever told you that is a fool and thinks Oklahoma and Texas as international.
Color has run and won but more than likely it was bought for its pedigree more than its color. There is always a nice handful of yearlings with splashes of color that go through Keeneland but that is not what attracts the buyer to them.

Then why were they telling me even without the color they are well conformed? Are you a spy, did you hear everything that was said to me, NO. Dah buddy.........yearlings with a page DID bring nothing, in fact some weren't bidded on. At least I wasn't part of the CLUB that paid out the wazoo for a stud fee and didn't get hardly anything back. You better listen to yourself before posting. Maybe you have bad conformed horses that can run? Great for you, the poor horse will end up in a bad place when you are done throwing him away, mine won't. If you only saw OK and TX there you are a fool not me.

[Rachel Alexandra]

I am breeding for myself right now

I don't get this. If you are breeding for yourself wouldn't that mean that YOU are going to race them? Why then are you trying to sell them and get someone else to run them? It seems like it's one or the other.

It also seems like the market has repeatedly shown that wildly colored TBs attract a lot of attention but buyers aren't interested in investing the money unless there is a lot of page to back up the color. Yet, I see more and more people breeding for color with the anticipation that someone will buy and race their stock. What is the rationale behind this?

Congratulations on the sale of your colt.

I am breeding to get "bling" from the white and sabinos which require specific pedigrees. And for "dilute" palomino, buckskin and later cremello and perlino. We can't keep all the colt's no one can. I really didn't want to sell Alla Aurora, as she will be a valuable BM to us one day. As most of our mares foal out this year, I will be keeping certain colored fillies as BM's, sell the rest, and replace our mares with the best bred racing mare or BM we can afford. Please don't put me into a catagory with all other colored breeders, some of us take offense to that. There are a few serious color breeders that are bringing "in the blood", and yes, you will always have those that are not breeding to race but strictly for the show ring or pleasure. I know mine will all not race. Nobody in the TB industry thinks that though. How many thousands are "dumped" for adoption or slaughter that won't/can't race by top TB breeders, the numbers are so staggering it's sickning. At least the color breeder can HOPE that if they are not cut out for the gruel of the track, that they will go on to a show home if they can walk-trot-canter.

This is what is wrong with the entire horse industry. You people can not see the fact that the market has totally disappeared and continue breeding horses with a hope that an occassional good sell will occure.
None of the horses in the last book at Keeneland should have even been bred. The lack of pedigree is the #1 reason. Hopefully, this sale will open peoples eyes and less mares will go to the shed next spring. The market has too many horses and the hit it took this sale is just a reality of what is out there. Those horses that brought only $1500 are only WORTH $1500. There will be no stakes winner from that last book. It should not even exist.

[reedhill]

This is what is wrong with the entire horse industry. You people can not see the fact that the market has totally disappeared and continue breeding horses with a hope that an occassional good sell will occure.
None of the horses in the last book at Keeneland should have even been bred. The lack of pedigree is the #1 reason. Hopefully, this sale will open peoples eyes and less mares will go to the shed next spring. The market has too many horses and the hit it took this sale is just a reality of what is out there. Those horses that brought only $1500 are only WORTH $1500. There will be no stakes winner from that last book. It should not even exist.

You TB breeders for racing only are also the same, that's why you are catagorized together. I don't call breeding a handfull of my mares is mass breeding, LOL! TB racing industry says let's mass breed 'um, and maybe we'll get rich with 2 to 5 %, what a joke people like you are, to think the elite breeders are the only ones that count, may God forgive whoever the hell you are. It's not just Book 7...........DAHHHHH. It's people like you that truely make people sick.

[Rachel Alexandra]

Your horses were being photographed for their color and nothing more. There were a lot of horses with good conformation but without a page they bring nothing. Good conformation does not equal ability to run and win.
"International" was hardly at Keeneland the last two days. Whoever told you that is a fool and thinks Oklahoma and Texas as international.
Color has run and won but more than likely it was bought for its pedigree more than its color. There is always a nice handful of yearlings with splashes of color that go through Keeneland but that is not what attracts the buyer to them.

Then why were they telling me even without the color they are well conformed? Are you a spy, did you hear everything that was said to me, NO. Dah buddy.........yearlings with a page DID bring nothing, in fact some weren't bidded on. At least I wasn't part of the CLUB that paid out the wazoo for a stud fee and didn't get hardly anything back. You better listen to yourself before posting. Maybe you have bad conformed horses that can run? Great for you, the poor horse will end up in a bad place when you are done throwing him away, mine won't. If you only saw OK and TX there you are a fool not me.

Color and conformation are not the same. Again, a well conformed doesn't mean they can run and win. I never said you didn't have well conformed horses.
Yes, even horses with a pedigree didn't bring much (view my first post in this thread) but people like you think because of your horses color, you should have gotten more than $11,500??? You may have not been in the CLUB that paid out the wazoo for a stud fee but you are in the CLUB FANTASY for thinking your horses should have brought more than $11,500. You paid no stud fee and still didn't sell for $11,500. There are paints and quarter horses selling for $50. Who is the fool playing this game?
Oh, and you are right, it wasn't just TX and OK there the last day, I did see Missouri, Colorado, Ohio, South Dakota, etc....