Giacomo

going4stamina · Postby **going4stamina** » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:55 am

At the rate they are destroying TX racing, only mules will be coming to Texas.

Jorge · Postby **Jorge** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:59 pm

The case of Giacomo makes me remember the case of Epsom Derby winner Mahmoud. The latter sired many precocious juveniles but was not exactly considered a sprinter. The same occurred with his son The Axe II who was a stayer but sired mostly sprinters. Something similar happened with his grandson Al Hattab. Curiously all these horses were grays, same as Giacomo. I don't want to jump into conclusions but certainly its a curious detail. There is a statistical or probability terminology that comes to mind that pretends to explain these phenomenoms. I guess math scientists like to call it something like "quantum coincidence", or "quatum probability" but for non scientists they may simply call it "deja vu". Perhaps we are witnessing the appearance of a sire of good precocious juveniles.

Dave C · Postby **Dave C** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:01 am

IMO, you get a better picture of how a sire is going to produce by looking at how is dam and broodmare sire raced than looking at the race record of the stallion himself. Giacomo's dam raced well at 2 and Stop the Music was a very good, very fast 2yo. If you accept the premise that a stallion breeds true to his family, then Giacomo's early success should not come as a surprise.

bdw0617 · Postby **bdw0617** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:37 am

some very good info in this thread.

ct2346 · Postby **ct2346** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:22 pm

Jorge wrote:The case of Giacomo makes me remember the case of Epsom Derby winner Mahmoud. The latter sired many precocious juveniles but was not exactly considered a sprinter. The same occurred with his son The Axe II who was a stayer but sired mostly sprinters. Something similar happened with his grandson Al Hattab. Curiously all these horses were grays, same as Giacomo. I don't want to jump into conclusions but certainly its a curious detail. There is a statistical or probability terminology that comes to mind that pretends to explain these phenomenoms. I guess math scientists like to call it something like "quantum coincidence", or "quatum probability" but for non scientists they may simply call it "deja vu". Perhaps we are witnessing the appearance of a sire of good precocious juveniles.

Hello Jorge -

You are taking me back a few years but I do not remember The Axe II being primarily a sprint sire (I haven't looked anything up but off the top of my head Al Hattab, Hatchet Man, Executioner, Swinging Lizzie bring back memories of milers or more). It could be that I'm just remembering the distance specialists, but maybe we threw more stamina that it seems?

Derby2004 · Postby **Derby2004** » Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:13 pm

If the year were to end right now, would he warrant a fee increase based on what he has done with a couple of minor Texas stakes winners? I'm just thrilled to see a new line emerge for sires through great above. so now you have macho Uno and giacomo. If he continues and gets a stakes winner or two in ky, fl or ny I would pay 7500 for him next season. Wouldn't go to 10 when I get his sire for that.