stallions with fertility/libido issues...

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LB
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Postby LB » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:56 am

Linda_d wrote:I think the biggest reason for low conception/live foal rates is that domesticated horses are bred primarily for performance rather than primarily for producing off-spring. A dairy farmer isn't going to make any money if his cows don't get pregnant so that they can freshen (produce a calf and provide milk) next year, but a TB breeder isn't going to make money if his horses don't actually win on the race track (either for him or for somebody else). So, the dairy farmer culls cows that don't produce calves every year while the horse breeder culls mares that don't produce winners regularly, and will keep a stakes winning mare that only produces a live foal every other year if her foals win stakes when they do get to the track. Moreover, it's likely he'll keep a filly or two from that stakes winning mare for his broodmare band, especially if they're stakes winners themselves, and the stakes winning colts from this mare may go on to become sires, passing on many of her poor reproductive traits to their daughters.

For feral horses, as for dairy cattle, breeding "success" is producing a foal every year, so getting in foal and being able to carry and birth that foal is selected for first. For domestic horses, getting in foal and being able to carry and birth the foal are much less important than producing a foal that goes on to eventually be a great performer.


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Postby Sysonby » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:04 pm

Linda_d wrote:
Barbaro06 wrote:Think of this too...the feral stallion is not breeding 100-200 mares a season nor is he hopping on a plane to breed on southern hemisphere time.

Just a thought....


I think that the problem with conception rates long predates the practice of breeding stallions to 100-200 mares a season or shuttling. I remember reading a magazine article years ago that noted that cattle breeders expected 90% calf crops while horse breeders had to work hard to get over 60%.

I think the biggest reason for low conception/live foal rates is that domesticated horses are bred primarily for performance rather than primarily for producing off-spring. A dairy farmer isn't going to make any money if his cows don't get pregnant so that they can freshen (produce a calf and provide milk) next year, but a TB breeder isn't going to make money if his horses don't actually win on the race track (either for him or for somebody else). So, the dairy farmer culls cows that don't produce calves every year while the horse breeder culls mares that don't produce winners regularly, and will keep a stakes winning mare that only produces a live foal every other year if her foals win stakes when they do get to the track. Moreover, it's likely he'll keep a filly or two from that stakes winning mare for his broodmare band, especially if they're stakes winners themselves, and the stakes winning colts from this mare may go on to become sires, passing on many of her poor reproductive traits to their daughters.

For feral horses, as for dairy cattle, breeding "success" is producing a foal every year, so getting in foal and being able to carry and birth that foal is selected for first. For domestic horses, getting in foal and being able to carry and birth the foal are much less important than producing a foal that goes on to eventually be a great performer.

As our current dilemma with the wild horses under BLM jurisdiction demonstrate, maybe a high conception rate isn't such a good thing.


Nice analysis. The produce record of Cloud Cover could make a grown man weep--except that third foal was worth waiting for

http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2005/1106/129.pdf