Storm Cat

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Storm Cat

Postby tmacew » Wed May 14, 2008 7:27 am

This week certainly heralds the end of an era with two great stallions heading toward well-deserved rest.

In 50 years what will people think about when they look back on these two prolific stallions?

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Postby larrygene » Wed May 14, 2008 7:39 am

I personally think they will hardly be a blip on the radar!!!JMO

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Postby Dave C » Wed May 14, 2008 7:52 am

Lexington?

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Postby SlewCrew » Wed May 14, 2008 6:26 pm

larrygene wrote:I personally think they will hardly be a blip on the radar!!!JMO
This may be the most entirely idiotic post I have ever read anywhere...wait.I a, wrong...this IS the most entirely idiotic post I have ever read anywhere!!!

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Postby Mood Swings » Wed May 14, 2008 7:59 pm

I say, "Enjoy the retirement big guy!!" He sure has made a lot of headlines ... and set a few records :)
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Postby larrygene » Wed May 14, 2008 10:01 pm

Slewcrew, I've made almost 850 posts in four years on this forum and you've made 21 posts in about 4 months. I don't see anyone else jumping in saying that they think I'm an idiot!!! The people that know me and respect my opinion know that in 50 years SC and SW will not be the hot topic of the day??? Get it!!!! :idea: You obviously don't have a clue about pedigrees and breeding and you have let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass!!! :wink:

If you look at a pedigree and look for those that go back 50 years most people will not recognize many of the horses named. All you will find is their name and maybe a pic. I'm not saying SC and SW will not be recognized, but, I can assure you SC and SW will not hold the popularity 50 years from now as they do today. My opinion is their influence will greatly diminish over the next 50 years as they all do. Who knows who the hot stallions will be in 50 years???? Since you're so smart maybe you can give us idiots some insight.. :roll: as to who will be the next SC or SW and what their legacy will be. Now go back to watching My Friend Flicka!!

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Postby wallinga » Thu May 15, 2008 12:43 am

I don't know about the cat but I can see Sadler's Wells being as influential as Hyperion or even St Simon.

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Postby llbean » Thu May 15, 2008 2:18 am

Not St Simon; I really don't see that happening...

I mean, Big Brown's pedigree is 10.08% St Simon!

I'd be awfully surprised if the Kentucky Derby winner in 2105 has a pedigree that's 10% Sadlers Wells...

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Postby SlewCrew » Thu May 15, 2008 8:43 am

larrygene wrote:Slewcrew, I've made almost 850 posts in four years on this forum and you've made 21 posts in about 4 months. I don't see anyone else jumping in saying that they think I'm an idiot!!! The people that know me and respect my opinion know that in 50 years SC and SW will not be the hot topic of the day??? Get it!!!! :idea: You obviously don't have a clue about pedigrees and breeding and you have let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass!!! :wink:

If you look at a pedigree and look for those that go back 50 years most people will not recognize many of the horses named. All you will find is their name and maybe a pic. I'm not saying SC and SW will not be recognized, but, I can assure you SC and SW will not hold the popularity 50 years from now as they do today. My opinion is their influence will greatly diminish over the next 50 years as they all do. Who knows who the hot stallions will be in 50 years???? Since you're so smart maybe you can give us idiots some insight.. :roll: as to who will be the next SC or SW and what their legacy will be. Now go back to watching My Friend Flicka!!

Larrygene
Where did you say fifty years?Don't disparage what I know or what I have done...I have managed and worked with some pretty serious stallions in my 25 years of stallion experience.Making numerous posts on a pedigree board does not an expert make.Alligator mouth and hummingbird ass...you have no idea.Idiotic may have been the wrong word,yesterday kinda sucked,but a blip on the screen?I humbly disagree.
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Postby LB » Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 am

larrygene wrote:I personally think they will hardly be a blip on the radar!!!JMO


I have to disagree too. I think that in 50 years both Sadlers Wells and Storm Cat will appear in many of the pedigrees that are, at that point, shaping the breed.

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Postby larrygene » Thu May 15, 2008 12:15 pm

tmacew stated:

"In 50 years what will people think about when they look back on these two prolific stallions?"

Look back at the first post of this thread and maybe you will see where my opinion was coming from!!! As time flies and generations multiply infuences do diminish and in 50 years I think SC and SW will do likewise. I didn't say they would disappear!! JMO

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Postby DDT » Thu May 15, 2008 1:42 pm

larrygene

I was going to post when I first read your comment, but I let it go because we all are entitled to an opinion, however, with 144 active sons at stud I believe Sadlers Wells will be remembered and researched in European pedigrees for much longer than 50 years. As to Storm Cat, hate him or like him, with 157 active sons to date, I would think that he will not become a blip on the radar screen for many, many years.

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Postby Georgerz » Thu May 15, 2008 1:52 pm

It's like saying that after 90-100 years Phalaris and St.Simon aren't even a blip in the radar.

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Postby larrygene » Thu May 15, 2008 2:05 pm

I hope we all live another 50 years to see whose right!!!! :lol:

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Postby Dave C » Thu May 15, 2008 3:58 pm

If 100 years ago you had told someone that the Lexington sire line (a sire line that dominated NA breeding for 20 straight years) would completely diappear in less than a century, they would have sought to have you committed to an asylum. The same could be said for the Hyperion sire line in the 1930's, it may still exist in some far off corner of the world but it is extinct in NA. Both sirelines can still be considered influential through their influence on female families but the sirelines are gone. To predict that SC and SW line sires will still be prevalent in 50 years seems to be pretty risky. If someone wants to put up money that those line will still be around I'm willing to take that bet.