Has a palomino foal EVER been born a chestnut?

[reedhill]

Has a palomino foal EVER been born a chestnut?

Does anyone know of a palomino foal of any breed being born chestnut and shedding off a palomino?

Greys are born a solid color and grey out.

Champagnes are born darker and shed off lighter.

I think, not sure blacks can be born dark browns??

If a foal is born chestnut that has a palomino parent, starts shedding off at the muzzle gold and not chestnut, could it be palomino or a super light chestnut?

I know this question is easy to answer with DNA and one would know after shedding has taken place, but we have a chestnut born colt by a paly sire, that looks like he has a gold nose, and a gold metalic secondary color about him, he is a late foal and still has his baby coat.

This is off the subject of palomino, but we had a bay appendix filly born from a white TB sire and a red dun QH dam. The filly has shed out. Now she is still bay BUT has this GORGEOUS dun/gold metalic color that is very obvious when standing next to her. Very pretty.

What have you all seen? Thanks!!:)

[Jorge]

Interesting query!

I prefer not to be inflexibly categoric on genetic topics in spite the commonly known fact that we all know that, for example, two chestnut parents should always throw a chestnut foal.

I like certain flexibility because even chestnuts parents have thrown non-chestnut foals, namely, white cases. But someone will say that such a foal is a subjacent chestnut which is correct.

The same happens with gray foals. The rule says that no gray should be produced from 2 non-gray parents and that is correct. But you know something, sometimes a pair a non-gray parents throw a foal that anyone not knowing what is really ocurring would say it is a gray. I am referring to very "stained whites" coming from a solid color parents.

In synthesis, what I am trying to say is that regardless what connoisseurs and scientists say should always occurr, we really don't know for sure until all the odds and possibilities have been drawn.

Who knows if such a case has occurred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[reedhill]

I agree............and people on here have had to of seen colors that had to make them look twice when they walked by, or saw a young horse with questioning color characteristics just like a chestnut foal coming from 2 bay parents...........

[Derby Lyn]

Maybe you have yourself a palomino! check out this colt: http://www.superiorhorse.net/bali.html . He is tested to be a palomino but looks like a chestnut as a foal.

[Skipitgirl]

I sure was drooling watching those videos of him. Talk about an upright expressive mover......yummo!

[BlazingColours]

I have had three that I can think of who looked chestnut at birth. The sire to two of them was a cremello so I *knew* they were not chestnuts. The third was out of a palomino stallion so I had to DNA to confirm. When the results came in, I was surprised! The foals who are born looking chestnut have turned out a gorgeous deep dark golden palomino with white mane/tail.

This was one of them. She was copper when born. http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/sunnyfilly.html

Mine did lighten up in the first 4 months.

[reedhill]

Hummm, both are still much lighter than my little boy, will have to get him in the sun and let you all see what I'm seeing.

[RiddleMeThis]

This is palomino

[accphotography]

Oh yes, many, many times. Sometimes people assume they have a chestnut until the foal sheds or they test.

ACC

[color]

I had plenty of "apricot chestnut" born Palominos over the years I am breeding. When sire was a Cremello there was no doubt but when sire was Palomino it was just a guess until the first white hairs came out of the mane.

The chestnut born Palominos do not get that much light in winter and stay rather Palomino, so we also call them "non seasonal Palomino" as they do not much change color between summer and winter coats like do the normal born Palominos.

But you can send in hairs immediately and get a reply from the DNA lab to make sure.

[reedhill]

WOW Sure hope I didn't sell another chestnut filly with her mom, and she happens to "turn colors"..........that would just go along with our luck this year!

[Derby Lyn]

So can I cross my fingers that my bay will turn buckskin lol? any buckskin cases like that? looks bay at birth but turns buckskin later.

[BlazingColours]

Well I do have a buckskin that looks very close to bay. Her sire is a cremello so I know she is not bay. ..

[Linda_d]

So can I cross my fingers that my bay will turn buckskin lol? any buckskin cases like that? looks bay at birth but turns buckskin later.

I don't know if it was on this forum or on the All Breed, but there was a discussion about how a lot of buckskins can look bay ... and how they "hid" for several generations before one that looked like a more "typical" buckskin one appeared.

It might have been on one of the threads about the history of TBs. I will see if I can find it. There were numerous pix of dilutes that looked anything but, including buckskins that looked like bays.

[reedhill]

This "white" filly out of Let's Play Fellows looks to have very light chestnut ears, almost a dun color.

Even stranger, this colt out of a cremello tovero paint mare and Allamystique........when he shed off, he has scattered chestnut hairs across his chest, and a partial blue eye. My question is, how could the chestnut hairs come about when his dam is a tested cremello?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-169219

Maybe it's the svery small town we live in.......