I remember watching this race on black and white TV as a very young kid. It's one of racing's greatest races:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKCAhELwhc
1962 Travers--one for the ages
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Add also the following historic first, namely, GOLDEN TICKET's
eighth dam is non other than MASDA (chestnut M 1915) http://www.pedigreequery.com/masda
who was full sister to Travers Stakes winner MAN O' WAR.
See correlation at: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=32896
eighth dam is non other than MASDA (chestnut M 1915) http://www.pedigreequery.com/masda
who was full sister to Travers Stakes winner MAN O' WAR.
See correlation at: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=32896
Jorge wrote:Add also the following historic first, namely, GOLDEN TICKET's
eighth dam is non other than MASDA (chestnut M 1915) http://www.pedigreequery.com/masda
who was full sister to Travers Stakes winner MAN O' WAR.
See correlation at: http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=32896
I think that the 1962 Travers ranked as the premium photo-finish
edition of all until today's edition. See replay of today's edition at:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/ ... in-travers
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I think you are right about that. Two great champions running head and head for 10 furlongs and it still came down to a nostril (Jaipur's).
What's interesting is that neither RIDAN (Nantallah-Rough Shod II) nor JAIPUR (*Nasrullah-Rare Perfume) became much of a sire. Neither did DECIDEDLY (Determine) who won that year's Kentucky Derby. Probably the best stallion born in 1959 was CRIMSON SATAN (Spy Song), who couldnt hold a candle as a racehorse to any of these horses.
What's interesting is that neither RIDAN (Nantallah-Rough Shod II) nor JAIPUR (*Nasrullah-Rare Perfume) became much of a sire. Neither did DECIDEDLY (Determine) who won that year's Kentucky Derby. Probably the best stallion born in 1959 was CRIMSON SATAN (Spy Song), who couldnt hold a candle as a racehorse to any of these horses.
Actually, Crimson Satan was right up there with the best of his crop at 2 and 4 -- co-champion at 2 and a good handicapper despite a nasty disposition. Fell off the map at 3, though, his best performance probably coming in the Jersey Derby when he was DQ'ed from the win over Jaipur after a rough stretch run; per The Blood-Horse's archives, the colt contracted a respiratory illness that hampered him much of the season.
Granted, Ridan beat him hollow at shorter distances at 2 but Crimson Satan really didn't round into his best form until the longer races late in the season, after Ridan was already on the sidelines with splint trouble. Crimson Satan's late season form was good enough that the Daily Racing Form put him atop the Experimental Free Handicap; he also won the championship in the TRA and Triangle Publications poll, while Ridan got the nod from the Turf and Sport Digest poll and The Blood-Horse. At 4, the DRF rated Ridan at 125 pounds, Crimson Satan at 123 , and Jaipur at 122, so again, not all that far apart.
So far as stud records go, Ridan actually had quite a decent record. Per The Jockey Club, he begot 31 stakes winners from 344 named foals; he probably wasn't helped by the moving about he did. His big failure was that he got nothing that really approached his own class. Crimson Satan got 33 stakes winners from 467 foals; his main claim to fame there is as the sire of the whistling-fast mare Crimson Saint, dam of Royal Academy and second dam of Storm Cat. He also sired Flama Ardiente, dam of the very good sprinter and sire Mt. Livermore, and a fairly useful sire son in Whitesburg.
Jaipur also had a better stud record than a lot of people realize, getting 13 stakes winners from 162 named foals (again, using The Jockey Club's stats). The best of the bunch was 1970 English champion sprinter Amber Rama. Jaipur also sired Battle Dress, second dam of Spend a Buck. Decidedly was the weakest sire of the bunch, getting 19 stakes winners from 366 named foals with not that much being memorable in the lot.
Granted, Ridan beat him hollow at shorter distances at 2 but Crimson Satan really didn't round into his best form until the longer races late in the season, after Ridan was already on the sidelines with splint trouble. Crimson Satan's late season form was good enough that the Daily Racing Form put him atop the Experimental Free Handicap; he also won the championship in the TRA and Triangle Publications poll, while Ridan got the nod from the Turf and Sport Digest poll and The Blood-Horse. At 4, the DRF rated Ridan at 125 pounds, Crimson Satan at 123 , and Jaipur at 122, so again, not all that far apart.
So far as stud records go, Ridan actually had quite a decent record. Per The Jockey Club, he begot 31 stakes winners from 344 named foals; he probably wasn't helped by the moving about he did. His big failure was that he got nothing that really approached his own class. Crimson Satan got 33 stakes winners from 467 foals; his main claim to fame there is as the sire of the whistling-fast mare Crimson Saint, dam of Royal Academy and second dam of Storm Cat. He also sired Flama Ardiente, dam of the very good sprinter and sire Mt. Livermore, and a fairly useful sire son in Whitesburg.
Jaipur also had a better stud record than a lot of people realize, getting 13 stakes winners from 162 named foals (again, using The Jockey Club's stats). The best of the bunch was 1970 English champion sprinter Amber Rama. Jaipur also sired Battle Dress, second dam of Spend a Buck. Decidedly was the weakest sire of the bunch, getting 19 stakes winners from 366 named foals with not that much being memorable in the lot.
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One of my most educational library purchases was 'Champions,' published by the Daily Racing Form. In addition to some excellent recaps of racing-by-decade since the 1890's it includes the Past Performances (in present deay format) of all champion racehorses back to, and including, DOMINO.
It's an invaluable tool for studying the actual class and running styles of horses which later went to stud with varying degrees of success. For example, DOMINO's PP's show the kind of blinding sprinter/miler speed that his descendants still exhibit. Same with BOLD RULER and DR. FAGER. Then there are the champions who failed as stallions---often times plodders with no precocity. Then there are the racehorses who had every right to be great stallions--CITATION, COALTOWN, STAR PILOT, JOHN P. GRIER, etc.---who just didnt fire. It's all very interesting, to me, anyway.
When I compared CRIMSON SATAN to JAIPUR and RIDAN I referred to their performances on the track as documented in 'Champions.' RIDAN was an undefeated 2yo champion, precocious in the extreme, and a front-runner with no equal. He was remarkably consistent in his tough campaign. JAIPUR was almost as consistent, and narrowly bested RIDAN at three after that horse trumped him at two. If you watched the 1962 Travers you can see that both horses were fast, classy and determined.
CRIMSON SATAN, on the other hand, was a very inconsistent runner. He was voted champion 2yo in one poll strictly on the basis of his win in the Garden State Stakes, then the equivalent of the Breeders Cup Juvenile. (Two years later HURRY TO MARKET won the same race and was named champion 2yo. He never won another race.) He outpolled RIDAN, who had run only in the midwest and Kentucky, not in the east, where most voters lived. But head-to-head with either RIDAN or JAIPUR IMO Crimson Satan was far outclassed and outrun for a mile or better. His high year-end rankings as a 2yo and 4yo were for the most part based on spotty good efforts, not for his overall superiority.
I certainly beg to differ with you on your analysis of the stallion successes of these three horses. Both JAIPUR and RIDAN stood to the very best books of mares at Spendthrift and Claiborne Farm, respectively. Because of their performances, pedigrees and conformation great things were expected of both of them. Yet, Claiborne sold RIDAN to Ireland within five years, and he was later exported to Australia, which was at that time almost a third-world racing country. His stakes winners, with one or two exceptions, were modest at best. JAIPUR, owned by George Widener, never left Spendthrift Farm, but was equally disappointing at stud. Imagine a champion 3yo, and near-champion 2yo, sired by *NASRULLAH from a top female family serving only a small book of mares at $5,000 (and less, from what I remember) after only a half-dozen years at stud?
The statistics you quoted dont accurately describe how badly RIDAN and JAIPUR performed at stud. They were two of the most highly prized stallion prospects in the mid-1960's, but by the early 1970's they had become commercial disasters.
CRIMSON SATAN, by far the lesser racehorse and pedigreed animal, initially stood at the brand new Gainesway Farm, then located next to Keeneland. John Gaines syndicated a slew of other new horses at the same time and Crimson Satan was not high on anyone's list of must-go-to stallions. Yet, mostly with the help of only average mares he hit the sire lists early, and stayed there for a long time, while RIDAN and JAIPUR were never to be seen on them.
Today, RIDAN and JAIPUR are only rarely seen in catalogs, yet CRIMSON SATAN abounds. He certainly is a far more consistent as a pedigree influence than he was as a racehorse, and that's why I consider their story of interest.
It's an invaluable tool for studying the actual class and running styles of horses which later went to stud with varying degrees of success. For example, DOMINO's PP's show the kind of blinding sprinter/miler speed that his descendants still exhibit. Same with BOLD RULER and DR. FAGER. Then there are the champions who failed as stallions---often times plodders with no precocity. Then there are the racehorses who had every right to be great stallions--CITATION, COALTOWN, STAR PILOT, JOHN P. GRIER, etc.---who just didnt fire. It's all very interesting, to me, anyway.
When I compared CRIMSON SATAN to JAIPUR and RIDAN I referred to their performances on the track as documented in 'Champions.' RIDAN was an undefeated 2yo champion, precocious in the extreme, and a front-runner with no equal. He was remarkably consistent in his tough campaign. JAIPUR was almost as consistent, and narrowly bested RIDAN at three after that horse trumped him at two. If you watched the 1962 Travers you can see that both horses were fast, classy and determined.
CRIMSON SATAN, on the other hand, was a very inconsistent runner. He was voted champion 2yo in one poll strictly on the basis of his win in the Garden State Stakes, then the equivalent of the Breeders Cup Juvenile. (Two years later HURRY TO MARKET won the same race and was named champion 2yo. He never won another race.) He outpolled RIDAN, who had run only in the midwest and Kentucky, not in the east, where most voters lived. But head-to-head with either RIDAN or JAIPUR IMO Crimson Satan was far outclassed and outrun for a mile or better. His high year-end rankings as a 2yo and 4yo were for the most part based on spotty good efforts, not for his overall superiority.
I certainly beg to differ with you on your analysis of the stallion successes of these three horses. Both JAIPUR and RIDAN stood to the very best books of mares at Spendthrift and Claiborne Farm, respectively. Because of their performances, pedigrees and conformation great things were expected of both of them. Yet, Claiborne sold RIDAN to Ireland within five years, and he was later exported to Australia, which was at that time almost a third-world racing country. His stakes winners, with one or two exceptions, were modest at best. JAIPUR, owned by George Widener, never left Spendthrift Farm, but was equally disappointing at stud. Imagine a champion 3yo, and near-champion 2yo, sired by *NASRULLAH from a top female family serving only a small book of mares at $5,000 (and less, from what I remember) after only a half-dozen years at stud?
The statistics you quoted dont accurately describe how badly RIDAN and JAIPUR performed at stud. They were two of the most highly prized stallion prospects in the mid-1960's, but by the early 1970's they had become commercial disasters.
CRIMSON SATAN, by far the lesser racehorse and pedigreed animal, initially stood at the brand new Gainesway Farm, then located next to Keeneland. John Gaines syndicated a slew of other new horses at the same time and Crimson Satan was not high on anyone's list of must-go-to stallions. Yet, mostly with the help of only average mares he hit the sire lists early, and stayed there for a long time, while RIDAN and JAIPUR were never to be seen on them.
Today, RIDAN and JAIPUR are only rarely seen in catalogs, yet CRIMSON SATAN abounds. He certainly is a far more consistent as a pedigree influence than he was as a racehorse, and that's why I consider their story of interest.