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 Post subject: Wrote (IRE)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:59 pm 
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Am wondering about the knock against this guy. Standing for paltry $3k in Fla, though seemingly doing better down under. Hasn't been bred to much from what I see. Anybody seen him? BC Juv Turf winner. Should get runners earlier than most High Chaps?

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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It's really, really, really hard to warm up to him.

He never won another race after the BCJT, he was soundly thumped when Coolmore took him back to Ireland for the bigger 3yo races, and after being sold and brought back to the US for a 4yo campaign, he finished last in both of his outs. Of all the horses he ran against in the BCJT, none of them ever got close to Gr-1 company again. The best runners of the lot were Daddy Nose Best and Farraaj, both of whom topped out at Gr-3 level.

His dam has produced two other low-level winners despite being bred to the likes of Galileo, Hawk Wing, and Hurricane Run. Her dam's highest earner ran 8 wins in 78 starts as a handicapper in the UK, about equivalent to a $25,000 claimer here. Her one stakes-performing foal ran 2nd in a listed race at 2 and never got close to that level again.

And out of his three crops of racing age, none have shown much.

For a grassy Sadlers Wells-line horse in Florida near that price point, Senor Swinger is standing for $5k. While he won't win any champion sire awards anytime soon, his foals are at least finding their way to the winner's circle.


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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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thanks for the feedback KM.
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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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I think also, $3K is not exactly "paltry" for FL. You can get to better horses for less than that.

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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yes - but at that $3k, deals, NG seasons etc. go for south of $1k. High Chapparal was a force before his early death. 2yo BC winner - precocity - just lots to like I think

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Joltman, High Chap WAS a good solid stallion...and his best northern hemisphere-bred runners with the exception of Toronado were all solid 10-14f horses. Even the precocious ones.

Wrote was basically a reasonable allowance-level horse who got lucky on a day with a big paycheck.

Jury is still out on High Chap as a sire of sires -- So You Think was his best runner in both hemispheres and he's going well in Aus/NZ but cold as ice in the northern hemisphere. Toronado started at the national stud in the UK and moved to a smaller stud farm in Normandy when his oldest foals were only 2. (Doesn't look like he got many mares, either.) Free Eagle's first foals are only yearlings, and Lucky Lion's first foals are still sucklings. Rekindling is still racing. Wigmore Hall, Hi Jinx, Western Hymn, and Altior are all geldings.

Probably a better option for Sadlers Wells breeding in Florida is Suntracer by Kitten's Joy. He has four stakes-winning half-siblings, dam was a stakes winner, lots of stakes winners further back in his pedigree, and the fee advertised on the farm website is $1750.


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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Hello,
High Chaparral had some more good runners and Stallion prospects, see it's (It#s a) Dundeel, Hiyaam, Ace High, Youngstar, Shoot Out, Monaco Consul, Enaad etc.
In England/Ireland: Rekindling, Redwood, High Jionx, Free eagle
In Germany: Lucky Lion (High Chaparral-Lips Arrows by Big Shuffle), stands at the Graditz Stud, Torgau, Saxonia
His oldest Progeny are just Yearlings.
Tai Chi (High Chapparal-Taita by Big Shuffle), stands at Ohlerweilerhof Stud in Germany, best runners so far: Poldi's Liebling, Scapina, Bishapur

Btw, So You Think had a Stakesplaced runner named Harvestfortheworld
(So You Think-Israar by Machiavellian), 3rd Gallinule Stakes, Group 3, 2000 meter, Curragh, Ireland.

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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Hi Bettina,

Since Wrote is the subject of the thread, I did not include the list of High Chaparral sons standing in the southern hemisphere. Redwood is at stud in New Zealand. Dundeel and Monaco Consul stand in Australia. SYT, Free Eagle, and Toronado are all on the shuttle.

In general, I think High Chap was a much better stallion in the southern hemisphere than the northern, especially his crops sired in New Zealand. Of his foals born in Australia, a good number of the better ones are out of mares with New Zealand breeding...Dundeel, Fenway, Show the World, Forever Loved, Hidden Asset, Alpine Eagle, and Charmont are out of Zabeel mares. Hiyaam is from the magnificent Eight Carat family. Montoya Star's second dam is by Straight Strike, who was champion sire in New Zealand for many years (and is the broodmare sire of none other than Lonhro). Cismontaine's dam is by Volksraad (NZ) out of a Sir Tristram mare.

There's a major cluster-breeding pattern coalescing in Australia/New Zealand (which will show up in Europe and Japan sooner or later): Lalun, Windfields, and Menow, through Snippets, Straight Strike, Sir Tristram, Dehere and French Deputy, and Sound Reason. High Chap had Lalun through Bold Reason and Never Bend, and Shirley Heights in particular seems to go well with those lines. With plenty of Sir Ivor and Snippets, he got good results.


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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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Tell me if I'm wrong, but I sense that in recent years, with places like Ky Downs, there more opportunities for turf runners and that there will be even more in the future (esp. if Colonial Downs comes back) I'm not saying that Wrote is the horse for such an environment, but it may finally that the opportunities for turf horses will improve, esp. at lower levels.

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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KY Downs certainly has nothing for the lower levels... nothing at all for anything below $40K. And in past years the track at KY Downs has suffered from literally no maintenance at all. It has all the holes in it from last year, the year before, etc. The backstretch is a boggy shoe puller. They have gone from 21 racing days in 2014 - back in the good old days I took Eight To the Bar down there for a mcl $10K - to just FIVE racing days this year. It is costly to race there. Pony, run groom, etc., are all at least double because there are no horses on the grounds anymore. Ponies are hauled in for race days. Grooms must drive in on race days. They do pay $750 to last place but it's a $500 haul, $100 for a run groom, $50 for a pony, etc. so that is not a reason to "go." Turf racing is very "spotty" in the US. With the long awaited opening at Belterra Park of their turf track some opportunity has opened... but they run off the grass far more than they run on. Just the last two days have been, despite hot sunny weather, off the turf due to a water main malfunction or some kind of maintenance issue. They skirt at the "bottom" with MCL 15-10K. The lowest other turf option in this area is MCL $16K at Indiana Downs until Ellis Park opens in July (MCL $7.5K) Still, the better option is to have a good 6-8f dirt horse for this region. From my standpoint, I would rather not breed at all than breed a grass only type. It's hard enough to win a race at all without building in a handicap, and to compete on the grass here you need an allowance type period. There is a profound REASON all those grass stallions end up in cheaper programs somewhere else.

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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Down south (FL, LA, TX) there are a few opportunities for grass racers at the bigger tracks but if you want to consistently make money you need a horse that will run 6-7 furlongs on dirt. Lone Star has the best turf program in Texas. Fair Grounds has the best turf program in Louisiana. Some of the tracks, like Evangeline, don't have a turf track at all (although Evangeline may have added one recently).

The only place on the continent where having a very ordinary grassy-type horse is likely to not drive you out of business is up in Toronto, where there are grass courses at Woodbine and Fort Erie and the synthetic track at Woodbine.


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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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kimberly mine echoes my sentiments I must add that a grassy type can also be fine at Arlington which is grass or poly but the purses are pretty low.

I've had challenges with Miss Pinkerton, a filly shipped to me as a short yearling that was abandoned by one owner and then nearly abandoned by the second one... she seems to like the Weeds. Ran a very stirring third last night in the 3rd at Indiana Downs. She is a tall robust type just starting to fill in and will end up over 17h. At least it was the $16K MCL and she might mature into a better horse than that. Anyhow the pedigree said grass to me but there was none we could run on till recently and got rained off on our first try.

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Fla has both Gulfstream venues, plus Tampa when they're running in winter. In the mid-Atlantic, there's a lot of opportunity, with both Md tracks in season, Monmouth-Meadowlands (Atl Cty?), all NY venues incl lower end at FL, plus Parx and Penn National, and throw in Delaware Park offering turf racing. Some turfy trainers go to the Poly at PID from MD/Pa. As always, I suppose it's a situation where you need a 'better' one to make $, at least consistent allowance type. so those that can run up north in winter then get away south for the summer are obviously in a better position to make it. If a trainer is based at Pen, the ship to FL, PID, Mth, Prx, Delaware, Md, for turf action is manageable. Lrl has offered a decent number of lower level turf events. Heres a Mcl on Fri.

Laurel Park MAIDEN CLAIMING $16,000 – $12,500

Purse $22,000. (plus Up To 30% Mbf) For Maidens, Three Years Old And Upward. Three Year Olds, 119 Lbs.; Older, 124 Lbs. Claiming Price $16,000,... One And One Sixteenth Miles. (Turf)

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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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I wanted to run on the grass at Belterra last year but any time those races were carded they were huge fields and it wasn't going to be the best place for my horse until he was able to get himself around the turn at racing speed without going 8 wide. He wasn't bred for the grass but with his big, wide feet and long stride that's where he belonged. He had zero chance in the mud, slipping, sliding and jumping all over the place and wound up hurting himself. If the crew at Belterra had just run the race and then sealed the track he would not have been forced to run on a surface he had already shown he couldn't handle. Then again, these are the same folks who pull races from the turf if there's anything more than a 0% chance of rain which is why they get overflow fields.

Unless you're stabled at Belterra it will always be a "will they or won't they"


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 Post subject: Re: Wrote (IRE)
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That's part of the problem with the turf horses is they're sort of specialists - need the right race, distance, surface (going), class, etc. If the race doesn't go for whatever reason, it could be months til you see it again. Then if you are on the west coast you get to deal with 'The Hill' at Santa Anita - love that or leave it.

At least in the MidAtlantic there are enough venues to give you a shot in the spring-fall.

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