"Double Talkin" Mare on CANTER?

[Barelystable]

Hey All...

Wanted to pass along a mare that I ran across while scouting the CANTER boards. Her name is "Double Talkin" by Talk Nice by Pleasant Colony. Opinions? She seems to be a hard knocking mare..... Any broodmare value? From her pic, she looks quite tired, would love to give her a great retirement home.

Thanks all!

[doublete]

She's located in Boston, at Suffolk Downs.

[Barelystable]

Hey Doublete...

Did you ever happen to see her/ see her race? Her picture looks quite sad....but she still seems to run her heart out.

Thanks for the info!

[Keith]

She is weak on pedigree but has lots of heart. If you are interested in her I would look up her race record to see what type of races she won. She won lots of races so she is honest and for the price they are offering her at she could make a very useful broomare for someone.

Keith

[Waquoit]

I was there when her picture was taken. She is a kind, kind mare who really deserves someone to take her home and love on her. In addition, while (as Keith mentioned) her pedigree is not packed with superstars, she was both a tough and a talented racemare. She is an allowance winner and allowance placed.

Here is her CANTER photo:

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sal ... alking.jpg

Her ankle looks bad, as you'll see. Would guess her suspensory is shot.

And here is her pedigree:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/double+talkin


Here is her race record from 1999 through this year:

DOUBLE TALKIN, 1996 Bay Mare

Bred in - PA by Dr. E. L. Clark

Pedigree: By: Talk Nice , Out Of: C. H. Double Date , By: Noble Orphan

LastRaced on-2/21/2005



Recent Wins
This Year and Last

Months Ago Track Date R# Conditions Purse Dist/Surf Spd# Par Chart
7 CT 10/14/2004 10 3^fClm5000nw16mx $17,000 4f D 91 77 Chart
9 CT 8/29/2004 9 3^fClm3500nw16mx $12,000 4.5f D 84 74 Chart
26 CT 3/19/2003 8 4^fA22000nw16m $22,000 4.5f D 89 86 Chart
27 CT 2/2/2003 8 4^fClm10000 $17,300 4.5f D 89 83 Chart
34 CT 7/12/2002 7 3^fA20000nw16mx $20,000 4.5f D 89 86 Chart
35 CT 6/12/2002 4 3^fClm7500 $13,300 4.5f D 91 81 Chart
41 CT 12/28/2001 8 3^fClm16000 $19,600 4.5f D 90 86 Chart
42 CT 11/10/2001 3 3^fClm10000 $16,800 4.5f D 96 83 Chart
44 CT 9/1/2001 7 3^fClm10000 $16,800 4.5f D 82 83 Chart
45 CT 8/10/2001 9 3^fA20500nw2x $20,500 4.5f D 85 87 Chart
47 CT 6/29/2001 7 3^fClm7500 $14,500 4.5f D 95 81 Chart
48 CT 5/16/2001 4 3^fClm10000 $16,000 4.5f D 80 83 Chart
48 CT 5/3/2001 3 3^fClm10000 $16,000 4.5f D 88 83



All races:

Track Date R# Conditions+Price Dist/Surf Finish BL/Ld Spd# Par M/E Jockey Trainer Owner Chart
CT 2/21/2005 4 4^fClm5000(5000) 4.5f D Ft 6 6.1 63 79 Lbf Cortez, A.C. Mark Shuman Michael J. Gill Chart
CT 1/28/2005 1 4^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 8 17.5 49 81 Lbf Carmouche, K. Anthony Adamo Michael J. Gill Chart
CT 12/19/2004 4 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 4 5.7 76 81 Lbf Carmouche, K. Anthony Adamo Michael J. Gill Chart
12/8/2004 Clmd for $7500 By-Anthony Adamo For-Michael J. Gill
CT 12/8/2004 9 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 3 5.7 76 81 Lbf Flores, O. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
CT 10/14/2004 10 3^fClm5000nw16mx(5000) 4f D Ft 1 +7.25 91 77 Lbf Flores, O. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
CT 8/29/2004 9 3^fClm3500nw16mx(3500) 4.5f D Ft 1 +1.75 84 74 Lbf Flores, O. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
CT 7/28/2004 7 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 5 2.4 76 81 Lbf Flores, O. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
CT 7/18/2004 7 3^fStks50000(0) 4.5f D My Scr 93 L Chart
CT 6/24/2004 7 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 2 0.75 82 83 Lbf Flores, O. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
5/6/2004 Clmd for $7500 By-Amy Albright For-Diamond Oak Stable
CT 5/6/2004 1 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 8 8.2 62 81 Lbf Luzzi, Jr., J.B. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 1/30/2004 7 4^fA32500nw16mx(0) 4.5f D Ft 5 9.5 74 86 Lbf Reynolds, L.C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 12/12/2003 7 3^fA29500nw16m(0) 4.5f D My 4 6.25 78 86 Lbf Reynolds, L.C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 11/9/2003 6 3^fA28100nw16m(0) 4.5f D Ft 3 4 78 86 Lbf Reynolds, L.C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 10/24/2003 4 3^fA28000(0) 4.5f D Ft 8 18.75 64 93 Lbf Reynolds, L.C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 8/29/2003 7 3^fA25400(0) 4.5f D Ft 6 9.25 69 93 Lbf Martin, C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 7/20/2003 9 3^fStks40000(0) 4.5f D Ft 2 2.25 85 93 Lbf Martin, C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 7/3/2003 4 3^fA24150(0) 4.5f D My 2 7.5 84 93 Lbf Martin, C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 5/2/2003 8 3^fA23000(0) 6.5f D Ft 3 3.5 85 93 Lbf Martin, C. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable and Tillotta, N. L. Chart
CT 3/19/2003 8 4^fA22000nw16m(0) 4.5f D Ft 1 +2.75 89 86 Lbf Vail, J.S. Nancy L. Tillotta Catacomb Stable & N.L. Tillotta Chart
2/2/2003 Clmd for $10000 By-Nancy L. Tillotta For-Nancy L. Tillotta
CT 2/2/2003 8 4^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +7 89 83 Lbf Nicol, Jr., P.A. Amy Albright Diamond Oak Stable Chart
10/25/2002 Clmd for $10000 By-Amy Albright For-Diamond Oak Stable
CT 10/25/2002 8 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Sy 6 7.45 64 83 Lbf Acosta, J.D. Dick Minard Dija Blue Farm Chart
CT 10/10/2002 1 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Sy 4 5.7 68 83 Lbf Mawing, A. Dick Minard Dija Blue Farm Chart
TIM 8/30/2002 8 3^fAoc26000nw2x(20000) 4f D Ft 5 8.3 76 90 Lbf Vail, J.S. Dick Minard Dija Blue Farm Chart
CT 7/12/2002 7 3^fA20000nw16mx(0) 4.5f D Ft 1 +5.75 89 86 Lbf Vail, J.S. Nancy L. Tillotta Dija Blue Farm Chart
CT 6/12/2002 4 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 1 +2.5 91 81 Lbf Vail, J.S. Nancy L. Tillotta Dija Blue Farm Chart
5/16/2002 Clmd for $7500 By-Nancy L. Tillotta For-Dija Blue Farm
CT 5/16/2002 8 3^fClm7500nw33mx(7500) 4.5f D Ft 2 2 74 77 Lbf Martin, C. Thomas C. Weeks Norman J. Woodward Chart
MNR 4/1/2002 8 3^fA31700nw3x(0) 6f D Ft 8 15.45 47 91 BLbf Martin, C. Thomas C. Weeks Norman J. Woodward Chart
PHA 3/30/2002 8 4^fSA14000(0) 5f D Ft Scr 89 L Chart
CT 3/14/2002 4 4^fA20000nw16mx(0) 7f D Ft 6 15.7 66 86 Lbf Martin, C. Thomas C. Weeks Norman J. Woodward Chart
MNR 2/24/2002 7 3^fA28800nw16mx(0) 5.5f D Ft 2 1 89 91 BLbf Martin, C. Thomas C. Weeks Norman Woodard Chart
CT 12/28/2001 8 3^fClm16000(16000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +4 90 86 Lbf Thomas C. Weeks Norman J. Woodward Chart
CT 12/14/2001 9 3^fClm16000(16000) 7f D Sy 2 0.75 78 86 Lbf Nancy L. Tillotta Dick Minard Racing Chart
CT 11/10/2001 3 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +5.75 96 83 Lbf Thomas C. Weeks Norman J. Woodward Chart
CT 9/30/2001 4 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 5 7.75 63 81 Lbf Nancy L. Tillotta Dick Minard Racing Chart
CT 9/1/2001 7 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +0.75 82 83 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 8/10/2001 9 3^fA20500nw2x(0) 4.5f D Wt 1 +0.2 85 87 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 7/14/2001 4 3^fA19400nw2x(0) 4.5f D Ft 2 1.75 90 87 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 6/29/2001 7 3^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 1 +7.25 95 81 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 6/9/2001 9 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 4 6.75 76 83 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 5/16/2001 4 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +0.2 80 83 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 5/3/2001 3 3^fClm10000(10000) 4.5f D Ft 1 +0.5 88 83 Lbf Henry E. Worcester, IV Worcester Stable Chart
CT 4/22/2001 7 4^fClm7500(7500) 4.5f D Ft 3 4.5 75 81 Lbf Louis J. Capuano R N R Stable Chart
CT 4/7/2001 9 4^fClm7500(0) 4.5f D Ft Scr 81 L Chart
CT 3/25/2001 8 4^fA18500nw2x(0) 4.5f D Ft 6 5.7 72 87 Lbf Louis J. Capuano R N R Stable Chart
CT 3/10/2001 8 3^fStks40000r(0) 6.5f D Ft 9 13.7 75 93 Lbf Louis J. Capuano R N R Stable Chart
LRL 2/28/2001 7 4^fA30000nw2x(0) 6f D Ft 7 14.4 65 90 Lbf Louis J. Capuano R N R Stable Chart
CT 2/8/2001 8 4^fA17000nw2x(0) 4.5f D Ft 2 1.5 80 87 Lbf Louis J. Capuano R N R Stable Chart
CT 2/1/2001 7 4^fClm10000(0) 4.5f D My Scr 83 L Chart
LRL 11/10/2000 1 3^fClm11500(11500) 7f D Ft 8 30 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
LRL 10/19/2000 8 3^fA28000nw1x(0) 6.5f D Ft 6 9.75 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
CT 10/6/2000 8 3^fA14900nw1x(0) 4.5f D Ft 4 4.7 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
DEL 9/27/2000 2 3^fClm17500(17500) 5.5f D Wt 8 17.45 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
DEL 9/13/2000 5 3^fA32000nw1x(0) 6f D Ft 7 19 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
DEL 8/30/2000 6 3^fA32000nw1x(0) 6f D Ft Scr L Chart
LRL 8/18/2000 9 3^fA28000nw1x(0) 5.5f D Ft 2 3.5 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
CT 8/3/2000 7 3^fClm16000nw3l(16000) 4.5f D Sy 1 +0.1 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
PIM 4/15/2000 7 4^fA28000nw1x(0) 5.5f D Ft 6 6.1 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
LRL 11/6/1999 9 3fA26000nw1x(0) 7f D Ft 3 12.5 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Christine Capuano Chart
LRL 10/28/1999 5 3^fClm8500nw2l(8500) 7f D Ft 1 +6.5 Lbf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
PHA 10/3/1999 5 3^fClm15000nw2l(15000) 6.5f D Ft 7 11.75 Lf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
CNL 9/10/1999 2 3^fClm18500nw2l(16500) 8.5f t Yg 5 11.25 Lf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
LRL 8/22/1999 1 3^fMdn10000(9000) 6f D Ft 1 +3.5 Lf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
LRL 8/12/1999 9 3^fMdn8500(8500) 6f D Ft 3 1.2 Lf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
PEN 7/30/1999 2 3^fMdn10000(8500) 8.3f D Sy 12 47.95 Lf Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart
PEN 6/12/1999 1 3^fMSW9200(0) 8.3f T Fm 10 30 L Louis J. Capuano Edward L. Clark Chart

If you are local and want to come see her at Suffolk, I'd definitely recommend setting up an appointment with the CANTER volunteers on a Saturday morning (e-mail [email protected] or call 781-354-6291). Double Talkin's trainer can be tough to reach and is hard to talk to/understand on the phone.

Please PM me if you'd like more details. I also have all of the charts for her races as I pulled her record after seeing her - I can't take her myself, but she was one of the ones who just really grabbed me. With some groceries, TLC, and a second chance, Double Talkin will be a wonderful find for somebody!

[katydid]

Well conformationally I have some misgivings about her. She's definitely not a "pretty" mare unless that is a bad pic! . That whole leg (with the swollen ankle) looks bad her pastern and knee look a little puffy too. However, her earnings, and length of service really does give one pause for consideration

Pedigree wise-- for a race broodmare her tail female is really the weakest part of her pedigree. But on closer inspection I found her dam *grandsire* Noble Jay was also the the damsire of international Jumper, Gem Twist. Noble Jay was out of Noble Nurse a daughter of Gallant Nurse who was, in turn out of a mare named Omayya. Double Talkin has line breeding to Omayya through Gallant Nurse's half sister, Pomayya. Another notable hunter sire, Rock Point, has Gallant Nurse/ Omayya in his tail female line.

On to the male portion of her family! Well, Pleasant Colony (Ribot), and Cornish Prince are notables up decently close in her pedigree. There are a few of crosses to The Tetrach/ Roi Herode, on the male side, the same as the above mentioned Gem twist. Another notable plus in her pedigree, actually comes through Pleasant Colony, as his granddam, Flower Bowl is a great granddaughter of Dark Ronald...who was an important contributor to German Classic breeding and a lot of todays top hunter/jumpers have him in their pedigree. This is why Pleasant Colony is desirable in sporthorse pedigrees.


So...on paper she'd look good for someone into breeding sporthorses. Her race record would look good to someone looking for a race broodmare. However, if she threw babies that looked like her marketability might be a problem (again that could be a bad pic). So, we need someone brave enough to try an expirimental breeding...you'd actually have a pretty decent shot at something good so long as a stallion was chosen that could really improve her conformation/looks w/o diluting her athletic ability.

edited to add that it is Pleasant Colony that I was talking about when I said Ribot lol! Ribot still is desirable in sporthorse pedigrees, I love Ribot's myself =D Changed what I said before I did too much damage!

[fernhollow]

What is the average number of starts contained in her five generation pedigree?

Maybe someone could take another conformation shot. I've seen horses look tremendously different when moved around and photographed a second time. Present photo does leave a lot to be desired conformation-wise...but then, she did hold up to race numerous times...so there must be something right there.

[Waquoit]

Katydid, thanks for the analysis. To be fair to the mare, I think she would look MUCH better with considerable groceries as well as some attention to that ankle/leg. The picture was taken of her at her absolute worst, I'd have to say. (And it was also taken by volunteer photographers on a miserable day, so the quality isn't, admittedly, the best.)

She doesn't have perfect conformation by any stretch, but I don't think she's a terribly bad-looking specimen if you give her another 100+ lbs. and give her time to recover from that leg injury. She seemed uncomfortable in the stifles too so I don't think the way she is standing in the pic is necessarily indicative of her natural stance and hind end positioning.

One thing the photo doesn't show is that she has a remarkably kind eye and wise expression. Despite being in obvious pain, she seems to have a sort of dignity and intelligence about her that might also tie in to her longevity on the track.

Judging by her race record, the injury is recent and seems to be the only time she's ever been "off" in nearly 7 years of racing. This is one tough, classy mare. Not too many like that these days.

[katydid]

Oh, I am definitely willing to give the mare the benefit of the doubt. I noticed her on Canter, too, and was interested because I have a mare at home that possesses some of the bloodlines I mentioned in the earlier post. You really couldn't ask for a better personality and willingness to please.

I'd give that mare a year off in a pasture somewhere, put some weight on her, get the chiro out to work on her. If she was bought as a broodmare prospect, I'd give her that time off before breeding to really see how much of what we see was environmental influences...rider/trainer, soreness, exhaustion, etc etc.

[Karie]

after a look at that picture.. I would love her!.. but I lack the $$ right now. Poor girl. She needs some groceries and some attention.

Here is info on her sire: (since this site has nothing)
** TALK NICE, 1983 **
$1,000 Stud Fee, Live Foal
Deer Run Farm
1181 Telegraph Rd.
West Chester, PA 19380
(610) 696-5991
(Fax) (610) 429-1642

RACE RECORD:
Race Record in North America
1986 8 1 2 2 $17,965
1987 11 2 2 1 $31,651
1988 15 1 2 1 $21,535
1989 21 4 5 5 $44,463
1990 10 1 2 2 $20,871
1991 13 1 0 3 $11,448
1992 5 2 1 0 $6,900
Totals 83 12 14 14 $154,833 (SSI=2.32)
1988 2nd Valley Forge Handicap (R) (O) ($8,770, Gs) $40,000
1991 3rd John J. Reilly Handicap (R) (O) ($4,428, Mth) $35,000


By PLEASANT COLONY (1978), Champion, $965,383. Sire of 18 crops, 621
foals, 490 starters, 71 black type winners, 360 winners, $62,534,749,
including Pleasant Tap (Champion, $2,721,169), St. Jovite (Champion 3
times, $1,631,032), Pleasant Stage (Champion, $844,272), State Shinto
(Champion, $731,300), Colonial U. S. (Champion, $203,495), Pleasantly
Perfect ($7,789,880, Breeders' Cup Classic -G1, etc), Behrens
($3,243,500, Oaklawn Handicap -G1, etc).


Out of a Mare by CORNISH PRINCE (1962), black type winner of $131,050.
Sire of 18 crops, 495 foals, 427 starters, 51 black type winners, 355
winners, $17,256,220. Sire of 221 producing daughters, 1864 foals, 94
black type winners, including Deputy Jane West (Champion Twice,
$593,409), Dr Abraham (Champion, $227,824), No Felix (Champion), Little
Brianne ($981,110), Carr De Naskra ($831,672), Packett's Landing
($799,769), Momsfurrari ($498,100), Diablo ($482,050), Recusant
($476,543), Claramount ($457,700).


FEMALE FAMILY:


1ST DAM
CONSTANT TALK, by Cornish Prince. Winner at 4, $39,882. Dam of 14 foals to
race, 10 winners--
ISLAND CHATTER (c. by Island Whirl). 8 wins, 3 to 5, $106,028, Pontiac
Handicap (DET, $15,000), 2nd Jerry Parks American Livestock S. (OTC,
$7,000), Tampa Bay Breeders' Cup S. (TAM, $15,485).
Princess Pamela (f. by Binalong). Winner at 3 and 4, $49,320, 2nd Lady
Razorback Futurity (R) (LAD, $5,000).
Talk Nice (c. by Pleasant Colony). Black type-placed winner, see records.
Talkin It Over (f. by Premiership). 2 wins at 3, $19,305. Dam of 3 winners,
including--
TALKNOW (c. by Pick Up The Phone). 15 wins, 2 to 5, $273,913, Colonel
Power S. (HAW, $26,520), Claiming Crown Express S. (R) [N].
Constant Gossip (f. by Pleasant Colony). Winner at 4, $4,372. Dam of 5
winners, including--
Gambler's Share (g. by Here We Come). 12 wins, 3 to 9, 2005, $125,614,
3rd Oklahoma Classics Turf S. (R) (RP, $5,940), Brother Brown S.
(RP, $2,860).
Herecomes Gossip (g. by Here We Come). Winner at 2 and 3, $29,968, 3rd
Oklahoma Classics Day Juvenile S(R) (RP, $5,940).
Talking Endlessly. Winner at 2 and 3, $10,858. Dam of Motel Gossip (f.
by Bates Motel) Winner at 3 and 4, placed at 5, 2004, $29,648, 3rd
Oklahoma Classics Day F&m Turf S(R) (RP, $5,003).
Pierce The Surgeon (c. by Gold Meridian). 3 wins at 3 and 4, $38,398.
Not Now Henry (c. by Country Pine). 6 wins, 2 to 6, $37,732.
Uninterrupted (f. by Star De Naskra). Winner at 2, $15,645, Sent To
Venezuela. Producer.
Bold N Dark (f. by Bold Anthony). Winner at 3, 2004, $10,474.
Set The Standard (g. by American Standard). Winner at 4, $3,425.
Candeloro (c. by Glitterman). Placed at 2, $6,340.
Tomatalk (c. by Apalachee). Placed at 2, $1,600.

2ND DAM
OUT TALK, by *Ambiorix. 3 wins at 3, $32,771, Spur On S, Vanity Fair H, 2nd
Sweet Patootie S, Rose Leaves S. Sister to RASH STATEMENT. Dam of 8
foals to race, 4 winners, including--
Flying Wit (f. by Halo). Winner at 3, $7,640. Dam of 5 winners, including--
Shapely Wit (f. by Euclid-IRE). Winner at 2 and 3, $17,297, 2nd
Cuyahoga Lassie S. (TDN, $6,000). Producer.
Bohio. 2 wins at 2 in Puerto Rico, $47,439. Dam of DONA INGRID (f. by
Lord Of The Night) 8 wins, 2 to 5, placed at 6, 2005 in Puerto Rico,
$237,409; Foreign, won Cl Constitucion (Pr), 2nd Dia De Las Madres
(Pr), etc.
B. G.'s Charger (g. by Native Charger). 6 wins, 3 to 7, $73,788.
Ladies Luncheon (f. by Bold Reason). Winner at 3 and 4, $19,807, Sent To
France. Producer.
Corny Talk (f. by Cornish Prince). Sent To Great Britain.
Goldbricker (c. by Buckpasser). To Eng, Sent To India.
Flyitoff (f. by *Forli). Placed at 2, $1,300. Dam of 2 winners. Dam of--
Year Of The Cat. Placed at 3, $1,225. Dam of Palace Of Ice (f. by
Pledge Card) 5 wins at 3 and 5, $23,269, Williamette River Handicap
[N], 3rd Washington Oaks (YM, $3,750), Diane Kem Filly And Mare
Handicap [N], etc.
Silver's Gold (f. by Silver Series). Placed at 2 and 3, $5,227. Producer.
Lucky Loie (f. by Irish Castle). Placed at 3, $1,482.
Royalism (f. by King Emperor). Unplaced in 1 start. Dam of 2 winners. Dam
of--
Might Be A Queen. Unraced. Dam of MIGHT BEA PRINCESS (f. by Notebook) 2
wins at 2, 2004 in Puerto Rico, $63,520; Foreign, won Cl Velvet
Panther (Pr), 2nd Cl Eduardo Cautino Insua (Pr), etc, Cristy U (f.
by Notebook) 3 wins at 2 in Puerto Rico, $55,903; Foreign, 2nd Cl
Eduardo Cautino Insua (Pr), 3rd Cl Ano Nuevo (Pr). Granddam of
Undeniable Queen (f. by Concerto) Winner at 2, placed at 3, 2005,
$67,362, 3rd Natc Sorority (R) (DEL, $20,000).
Brag (f. by Bold Lad). Unraced. Dam of 2 winners--
REVIVALIST (c. by Advocator). 12 wins at 4 and 5, $184,589, Salvator
Mile H. -G3, City Of Baltimore H., Oceanport H., 2nd William Dupont
Jr. H. -G2, Ben Ali H. -G3, 3rd Preston M. Burch H.
Queen Of Guilt (f. by Sensitive Prince). 8 wins, 3 to 5, $55,557, 2nd
Columbus Breeders Cup Challenge H [N], 3rd Oh Susanna S. (BEU,
$1,690). Dam of Go Queenie Go (f. by Lejoli) 4 wins at 3 and 5,
$97,235, 2nd Spangover S. (R) (TDN, $6,000), 3rd River Bend S. (R)
(RD, $3,000).
Bravado. Dam of Chop It Down (c. by Hatchet Man) 11 wins, 2 to 4,
$125,293, 3rd Cupid S. (R) (PHA, $2,442), Skippack S. (R) (PHA,
$2,376).
Terminal Blush. Unraced. Dam of IT'S OVER (f. by Stop The Music) 5 wins
at 3 and 4, $90,737, Minnesota-Owned Distaff Turf H. (R) (CBY,
$17,880), 2nd Minnesota Distaff Turf Chp Hcp (R) (CBY, $10,900), 3rd
Dakota County S. (CBY, $2,750). Granddam of It's Spooky (f. by
Silver Ghost) 4 wins at 3 and 4, $131,990, 3rd Estrapade Handicap
[L] (AP, $8,250).

3RD DAM
HIPPARETE, by *Pharamond II. 4 wins at 3, $8,850. Sister to MENOW, LITHE. Dam
of 10 foals to race, 8 winners--
RASH STATEMENT. 8 wins, 2 to 4, $218,022, Spinster S, Delaware Oaks,
Alcibiades S *Et, Oaks Prep, 2nd Demoiselle S, 3rd Coaching Club
American Oaks, Matron S, Princess Pat S, Monmouth Oaks, Alabama S,
Top Flight H, National Stallion S (Fillies), Etr Keeneland 7.00f 1
25 3. Dam of 4 winners, including--
Abdicating. 4 wins at 2 and 3, $44,775, 2nd Los Feliz S, 3rd Tremont S,
Sent To Australia. Sire.
Bold Angel. Unraced. Dam of SERAPHIC (5 wins at 2, $81,647, Champion
2yo Filly In Canada, Ontario Sire S., Shady Well S., My Dear S.,
Boniface S., 3rd Star Shoot S), Spiritual Ruler (Winner at 2 and 3,
$11,830, 3rd Bison City S). Granddam of Le Grand Argentier (8 wins,
2 to 7, $117,259, 3rd Summer S., Toronto Cup S., Plate Trial S),
Adorateur (Winner at 5, $35,877, 2nd Colin S., 3rd Clarendon S.
(Lr)).
Herodias. Unraced. Producer. Granddam of Spalachee (Sent To France;
Winner at 3 in France, $11,926, 3rd Prix Finlande).
PILLOW TALK. 3 wins at 3, $42,470, Black Eyed Susan S, Oaks Prep, 2nd
Delaware Oaks, Kentucky Oaks. Dam of 5 winners, including--
Ave Valeque. 3 wins at 2 and 3, $58,455, 2nd Arlington-Washington
Lassie S, 3rd Schuylerville S. Dam of CIAO (5 wins at 2 and 3,
$44,636, Pocahontas S., 3rd Golden Rod S. -G3), Vintage Proof (4
wins, 2 to 4, $37,166, 3rd Burlingame S). Granddam of SECRET HELLO
(6 wins, 2 to 4, $784,259, Arlington-Washington Futurity [ G1 ],
Saint Paul Derby [ G2 ], Clark Handicap [ G3 ], Canterbury Cup
Handicap [ G3 ], Waukegan Breeders' Cup S. (AP, $33,090), 2nd
Equipoise Mile Handicap [ G3 ], etc), SILENT ACCOUNT (10 wins, 2 to
5, $480,475, Alcibiades S. [ G2 ], Baton Twirler S. [L] (BEL,
$31,800), 2nd Selima S. [ G1 ], Genuine Risk S. [ G3 ], Spicy Living
S. [L] (RKM, $32,930), Sarsar S. [L] (BEL, $11,880), etc), HADIF (5
wins at 4 and 5 in NA, $348,937, Nearctic Handicap [L] (WO,
$102,240), etc., Sent To Usa; 3 wins at 2 in UK, $49,486, Cornwallis
S. [ G3 ], 2nd Rous S), BY YOUR LEAVE (4 wins at 3, $84,185, Anne
Arundel S. [L] (LRL, $33,030)).
No Comment. 3 wins at 2 and 3, $23,980. Dam of Incommunicado (3 wins at
4, $10,585, 3rd Liberty Belle H). Granddam of KOLUCTOO BAY (2 wins
at 2, $239,286, Young America S. -G1, 2nd Flamingo S. -G1, Cowdin S.
-G2), Pass The Mums (2 wins at 3, $33,462, 2nd A.C.E. Stakes),
Mumbles (2 wins at 2, $7,883, 3rd James C. Ellis Memorial H).
Pillow Dreams. Unraced. Granddam of LA GUASIRITA (Foreign, won Cl
Antonio R. Matos -G2 (Pr), Cl Dolorosa [ G2 ] (Pr)).
OUT TALK. Black type winner, see above.
Down Home. 6 wins, 2 to 5, $17,905.
Slickaway. 3 wins at 3 and 4, $13,760.
Alcides. 3 wins at 3 and 4, $12,790.
Regal Manner. 5 wins, 2 to 6, $12,260.
If Only. 5 wins at 4 and 5, $11,330.
4th Dam
ALCIBIADES, by Supremus. 7 wins at 2 and 3, $47,860, Champion Two Year Old
Filly, Champion Three Year Old Filly, Arlington Oaks, Kentucky Oaks,
Clipsetta S, Debutante S, 2nd Kentucky Jockey Club S, 3rd Hawthorne
Gold Cup, Illinois Oaks, Latonia Oaks, Arlington Matron H. Dam of
MENOW, LITHE, SALAMINIA, SPARTA. Granddam of SUPPLE, ATHENIA, LIBBA,
Mountain Greenery, White Cross, Aegina, Pella, Salason, Athenian.


LEADING RUNNERS:

NICE DAN (1996 C, by DOUBLE LEADER) 3 wins at 3, $79,004, in NA. (SSI=1.49).
2nd Iroquois Handicap (R) (O) ($10,570, Pha) $52,850.
WISE TALK (1996 C, by RISE JIM) 15 wins at 3 to 8, $270,342, in NA. (SSI=2.38).
DOUBLE TALKIN (1996 F, by NOBLE ORPHAN) 17 wins at 3 to 8, $229,137, in NA.
(SSI=2.21). 2nd H. B. P. A. Almost Heaven S. (R) (N) ($41,850, Ct).
SOVRAN ICE (1998 F, by NORTH SEA) 5 wins at 3 to 6, $77,567, in NA. (SSI=.41).
TIFFANY'S TALK (1998 F, by ELOCUTIONIST) 2 wins at 3 to 4, $35,730, in NA.
(SSI=.72).
CLASS FLIRT (1996 F, by NAUGHTY JAKE) Winner at 4, $16,605, in NA. (SSI=.32).
CLASS BULLY (1995 C, by NAUGHTY JAKE) 2 wins at 3, $15,838, in NA. (SSI=.32).
FREDDY K. (1998 G, by BEYOND THE MINT) Winner at 4, $9,915, in NA. (SSI=.22).
DOC'S TALK OF GOLD (1995 F, by KENTUCKY GOLD) Winner at 4, $9,750, in NA.
(SSI=.20).
TALKIN SMACK (1998 F, by DANCING AGAIN) Winner at 4, $7,004, in NA. (SSI=.28).

AS A BROODMARE SIRE

By TALK NICE (1983), black type placed winner of 12 races, 3 to 9,
$154,833, 2nd Valley Forge Handicap (R), etc. Sire of 5 crops, 28
foals, 20 starters, 12 winners, $797,040, including Double Talkin (to
9, 2005, $227,567, 2nd H. B. P. A. Almost Heaven S. (R) -N), Nice Dan
($79,004, 2nd Iroquois Handicap (R)), Wise Talk (to 9, 2005, $270,342),
Sovran Ice (to 7, 2005, $77,567), Tiffany's Talk ($35,730), Class Flirt
($16,605).


In The Stud - TALK NICE, 1983

--------By Crops (All Seasons)--------- Seasons (All Crops)
Wnrs $ Crop Av Per Wnrs
Yr Fls Rnrs (Sws) Earnings Rnr Yr (Wins) Earnings
=====================================================================

1994 6 5 1( 0) 21,209 4,242 1997 1( 1) 4,338
1995 6 4 2( 0) 46,010 11,503 1998 1( 2) 15,647
1996 6 5 4( 0) 595,295 119,059 1999 4( 8) 173,509
1997 6 2 1( 0) 5,880 2,940 2000 3( 4) 98,546
1998 6 4 4( 0) 130,216 32,554 2001 5( 11) 139,425
1999 1 0 0( 0) 0 0 2002 6( 11) 161,449
2000 0 0 0( 0) 0 0 2003 2( 6) 108,850
2001 0 0 0( 0) 0 0 2004 3( 7) 96,426
2002 0 0 0( 0) 0 0 2005 0( 0) 420


Sire Summary

5 Crops Lifetime Current
Starters (/Foals) 71% 4%
Winners (/Foals) 43% 0%
Winners (/Starters) 60% 0%

Total Starts 441 2
Total Wins (/Starts) 11% 0%

Total Earnings $798,610 $420
Ave Earnings/Starter $39,931 $420
Ave Earnings/Start $1,811 $210
Median Earnings $9,915 $0

Blacktype Wnrs(/Foals) 0% 0%
Blacktype Wnrs(/Strs) 0% 0%
Blacktype Horses(/Foals) 4% 0%
Blacktype Horses(/Strs) 5% 0%

Sup Runners (/Foals) 0% 0%
Sup Runners (/Startrs) 0% 0%

Ave # Years Raced 2.75 7.00
Ave Starts/Year 8.02 2.00

All Foals Colts Fillies
Sire Production Index 0.53 0.61 0.45

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[skeenan]

Yes, definitely don't make your final judgement based on her photo. Our CANTER mare looks much better in person than in her photo on the site.

Good luck!
I hope she ends up in a good home- she certainly is deserving!

[camohn]

I have seen 3 Talk Nice offspring. The ones I saw were typical PC.. Big, (mature 16.3 to 17H), plain bay, plain head like this girl. All had huge kind eye, THE best and sweetest temperments, nice big stride. Born Bombproof sorts. One was intended to race but at her ginormous size (ended up 17H) she kept having growth spurt uglies clear through to 4. They gave up on bothering to start her in racing at 4 and sold her as a sporthorse. The other 2 were sold as a weanling and yearling as sporthorses being of the very big and kind sort. If George bothered to market him to sporthorse people on purpose at his affordable studfee I think he could do quite well.

[Ruffian]

I don't know what happened to Staging Post- by Pleasant Colony- in my judgement he is a really good looking sort- he is small though about 15.3h but built like an out house it is funny though when he breeds he looks like a pony next to our mares! (even the little ones that stick less than him ) his overall look says 'SPRINTER' yet he ran over 1 3/4 miles... I think he must of got his good looks from his Sadlers Wells' dam maybe--- here's hoping next years' foals take on their dam