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 Post subject: Jorge, gray lines
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:45 pm 
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There was a gray Crab line TB named Medley who was imported to the United States in the mid 1700's. He left many descendants in America, and a large proportion of them were gray--and a lot were mares. His sire is listed as gray, as is his dam.

I know we say that all gray TBs go back to Master Robert, but are there any Medley gray descendants in the United States that have survived to pass on the gray gene?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:03 pm 
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As per Medley, I haven't seen any modern gray Thoroughbred owing his or her gray coat color to him. But would really like to know if there is any case :D

But some time ago, under the following topic:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... le+lineage

the following useful comments were posted:

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A different unusual gray strain uncovered among us.
Take a look at the pedigree of this talented young active stakes horse:

00.___ POP GOES THE TIGER (US) grey colt 2004,
01.___ out of GEM POP (USA) grey M 1991,
02.___ out of POLY POP (USA) grey M 1982,
03.___ out of LOVE THAT BLUE (USA) grey M 1975,
04.___ out of LISA (ARG) grey M 1960,
05.___ out of LEYENDA (ARG) grey M 1943,
06.___ out of LEMURIA (ARG) grey M 1938,
07.___ out of LEMONETTA (GB) grey M 1927,
08.___ out of BARRULET (GB) grey M 1918,
09.___ out of BARRIER (GB) grey M 1910,
10.___ by GREY LEG (GB) grey H 1891,
11.___ by SALT AND PEPPER (GB) grey H 1882,
12.___ out of OXFORD MIXTURE (GB) grey M 1870,
13.___ out of IRISH BELLE (GB) grey M 1859,
14.___ out of COLLEEN DHAS (IRE) grey M 1842,
15.___ by RUST (IRE) grey H 1830,
16.___ by MASTER ROBERT (GB) grey H 1830,

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Dear Collaborators,

Want to see a curiosity? Read this:

The following two gray Uruguayan sires owe their gray color, not to The Tetrarch, nor to his sire, nor to his grandsire (i.e. Le Samaritain), as everybody else, but from the very exiguous gray lineages of Master Robert. See for yourself:

THE FIRST CASE IS: AMODEO (URU) (gray H 1985):

01. by Snow Gabin (gr H 1977)
02. by Otoñal (gr H 1970)
03. by Gabin (gr H 1963)
04. from Ninon (gr M 1951)
05. by Tonto (gr H 1938)
06. from Pamplina (gr M 1927)
07. from Whirlanta (gr M 1918)
08. from Palanta (gr M 1912)
09. by Pippermint (gr H 1899)
10. from Mostaza (gr M 1895)
11. from Oxford Mixture (gr M 1870)
12. from Irish Belle (gr M 1859)
13. from Colleen Dhas (gr M 1842)
14. by Rust (gr H 1830)
15. by MASTER ROBERT (gr H 1811)
16. from Spinster (gr M 1805)
17. from Sir Peter Mare (gr M 1797)
18. from Bab (gr M 1787)
19. from Speranza (gr M 1778)
20. from Regulus Mare (gr M 1760)
21. from Carab Mare (gr M 1750)
22. by Crab (gr H 1722)
23. by Alcocks Arabian (gr H 1700)
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THE SECOND CASE IS: DEMOSTENES (URU) (gray H 1981)

01. by Legendario (gr H 1972)
02. by Gabin (gr H 1963) (Ditto-->AMODEO's great-grand sire).
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Enjoy.

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This is the super-overwhelming gray source from which 99.9999% percent of all grays owe their grayness. Out of this huge number, about 85% percent, or perhaps more, owe it solely to the great, The Tetrarch.

See for yourself:

00. Practically every gray sire or mare
01. by The Tetrarch (gray H 1911) (***)
02. by Roi Herode (gray H 1904) (***)
03. by Le Samaritain (gray H 1895) (***)
04. by Le Sancy (gray H 1884) (***)
05. from Gem of Gems (gray M 1873)
06. by Stathconan (gray H 1863)
07. from Souvenir (gray M 1856)
08. by Chanticleer (gray H 1843)
09. from Whim (gray M 1832)
10. by Drone (gray H 1823).
11. by MASTER ROBERT (gray H 1811)

Best Wishes,


For the complete text logon to:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... ter+robert

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Stefan The Great's direct gray lineage may not sound that ultra rare when compared with the remote strain from Master Robert himself, but certainly the following gray strain deserves a good browsing.

Please check the removed gray strain of FINANCINGAVAILABLE (gray F. 2001), who goes back to the gray champion mare VALENCIENNES (gray M. 1927) and Stefan The Great.

Enjoy!

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I was just about to start a thread about a gray line that I found that is descended from Master Robert in the female line. The mare Rachel Elizabeth has four out of six offspring that are gray.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/rachel+elizabeth

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:21 pm 
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HERE IS AN UPDATE ON THIS ONCE FADING TOPIC:

FOUND A NEW MODERN GRAY STRAIN FROM MASTER ROBERT!!!
SEE THE CASE AT:

https://secure.keeneland.com/sales/sep08/pdfs/2030.pdf

Its a 2007 gray Colt by Saint Liam out Grey Traffic

See the ancestry:

From Grey Traffic (M 2001)
From Onedayin L A (M 1994)
By Heavenly Plain (H 1981)
From Nuageuse (M 1972)
From Cloudy Gal (M 1963)
From Iona’s Girl (M 1956)
By Vilmorin (H 1943)
From Queen of the Meadows (M 1938)
From Queen of the Blues (M 1929)
From Blue Fairy (M 1922)
From Vanish (M 1910)
From Grey Lady (M 1898)
By Grey Leg (H 1891)
By Salt And Pepper (H 1882)
From Oxford Mixture (M 1870)
From Irish Belle (M 1859)
From Colleen Dhas (M 1842)
By Rust (H 1830)
By Master Rober (H 1811)

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How many grays owing their color exclusively to Vilmorin do you know of?


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Just came across a very interesting gray colt (Philadelphia Park) fashioning what appears to be white socks on all his legs. Curious about his phenotype did a little search on his pedigree and discovered something else. See his pedigree and note from where did he inherited his gray coat. Not from Epsom Derby winner Mahmoud (1933), not from Native Dancer (1950), but from a different gray branch, albeit from another strain from La Chica. See for yourself:

His name is STEEL DRUMS (Gray colt 2006): http://www.pedigreequery.com/steel+drums

From remote ancestress: CHELITA (gray mare 1942) http://www.pedigreequery.com/chelita

a lesser known daughter of LA CHICA (gray mare 1930)
see La Chica’s produce record at: http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/la+chica

Interesting discovery and worth being included on this thread as a curious new addition. Enjoy.


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HIP 607: http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2008/0519/MTweb.pdf


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http://www.pedigreequery.com/master+vere

CACHO DE BAIRES – A very interesting gray horse coming from an old Argentinean gray lineage of MASTER VERE, who was a talented grandson of The Tetrarch:

CACHO DE BAIRES (gray H 2006)
From ULTIMA CLASS (gray M 1995)
From ULTIMA BLUFF (gray M 1985)
From BARTITA (gray M 1971)
From BARTA (gray M 1964)
From BARLOA (gray M 1942)
By MASTER VERE (gray H 1931)
From TETRANELLA (gray M 1926)
By THE TETRARCH (gray H 1911)


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Jorge, here is another gray mare with 4 short white socks for you. She also has a star with a connected stripe and a lower lip spot. I own this mare & do not have any pictures of her when she was really dark that shows her markings better (the darkest picture I have is below), but it is all documented on her papers.

Pedigree:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dancing+synatra

Picture:
http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/42477 ... 600Q85.jpg


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Thanks for sharing her case and the photo. Al Hattab, what a great runner and breeding source! :D

Good luck with Dancing Synatra's future progeny. Thanks again.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/dancing+synatra


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Snowbound is both gray and male tail to Princequillo

http://www.pedigreequery.com/snowbound


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How about UNBEKNOWN GRAY ACT for naming your "gray cutie"? :D


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Interesting gray lineage runs in the pedigree of the extraordinary Indian bay filly, JACKELINE.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/jacqueline18

01. from TEMPLE MUSIC (gray M 1976)
02. from TEMPLEOGUE (gray M 1965)
03. from TILLA (gray M 1954)
04. from TRIXI (gray M 1944)
05. by BIRIBI (gray h 1923)
06. from LA BIDOUZE (gray M 1915)
07. from LA BIDASSOA (gray M 1907)
08. from SEMENDRIA (gray M 1897)
09. by LE SANCY (gray H 1884)
10. from GEMS OF GEMS (gray M 1873)
11. by STRATCHCONAN (gray H 1863)
12. from SOUVENIR (gray M 1856)
13. by CHANTICLEER (gray H 1843)
14. from WHIM (gray M 1832)
15. by DRONE (gray H 1823).
16. by MASTER ROBERT (gray H 1811)

(P. S. There is even a solo topic on her merits at:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/view ... hp?t=27411


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